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gene90
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Message 9 of 20 (17801)
09-19-2002 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by compmage
09-13-2002 10:53 AM


[QUOTE][B]Evolution theory is therefore a necesary result of the believe that there is no God.[/QUOTE]
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That's the Genetic Fallacy. Even if you could prove that this is the origin of evolution that proof would have no bearing on the validity of evolution.
[QUOTE][B]But if animals did evolve, there is no telling who is who's ancestor.[/QUOTE]
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Actually morphology and time-of-existance are strong indicators in species known from fossils. Genetic work is also a strong indicator in extant species (such as humans and chimps). Human Endogenous RetroViral elements (HERVs) are a smoking gun between humans and other primates, we "just happen to have" the same viral DNA piggybacking on Human Chromosome 7 that other primates also have. Tranquility Base is working on relating this to the fall but it is the fact that we all have same HERVs that I find fascinating.
[QUOTE][B]It might just as well have been some other species. [/QUOTE]
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We don't have to know the exact species. As you know from taxonomy species tend to occur in clusters of similarity that descended from a common ancestor. Because of the uncertainty involved it is ok if our transitionals are actually first cousins instead of direct ancestors, the match is close enough anyway.
[QUOTE][B]The evolusionists need to realize they are building a puzzle, without knowing how many pieces there is, and how many are missing.[/QUOTE]
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I'm not sure if there is any 'complete' theory anywhere in science. Nor is there any need for a theory to be absolutely complete and finished to be useful. To say that species evolve does not require an unbroken lineage all the way back to the first living thing.
[QUOTE][B]Therefore, the details of how God created/evolved us, borders on irrelevance.[/QUOTE]
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No, it's not irrelevant. The most aggressive YECs will argue that an unfailing belief in a literal interpretation of Genesis is necessary for salvation.
Geologists will tell you that Earth history is vital to uncovering the resources necessary to (literally) fuel modern society. Biologists use evolution to advance their work, and medical breakthroughs are the ultimate result of their work.
[QUOTE][B]Though I understand this view, I pity them. They can never know the peace we have, when saying goodbye to a loved one for the last time.[/QUOTE]
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That may be so but getting comfort from a belief does not make the belief correct.
[QUOTE][B]In the detectable world, life becomes irrelivant, our survival as a species becomes irrelivant, because what good is it the species survives,when all the members have to die anyway?[/QUOTE]
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Actually in the 'detectable world' (ignoring the possibility of a supernatural world) life is still important. The reason to live is to cherish existance, because when it's over, you decompose. You only have a short time here and you can't afford to waste any of it.
Survival of the species remains important, perhaps even more so, because, whereas we believe in a judgement the alternative is open-ended; the march of the species goes on because there is no greater end than survival. I would say that, secondary to submitting to the will of God (if the person is a believer) in any person, then the greatest responsibility to that person is the survival of the species. This is, of course, excepting groups like the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement who honestly believe it is our moral responsibility to cease to be.
[QUOTE][B]Why procreate if live is empty, with no purpose?[/QUOTE]
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Life isn't empty, even to an atheist.
[QUOTE][B]But they need to ask themselves: Are you really better of believing that we are nothing but a speck of dust, a coincidence, a chemical concoction with no meaning in live, to exist purely for the sake of existing? Are they beter off than the person believing He was created by a alpowerful and loving God that cares about him, guide him and give him reason to exist?[/QUOTE]
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The crux of the issue is not if people are 'better off' believing in something but whether we *should* believe in something. This is a search for the truth, not social engineering.
[QUOTE][B]Being scientific does not mean you cannot believe in God as well. [/QUOTE]
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True.
[QUOTE][B]To be able to believe, specifically in Jesus Christ, is a gift from heaven.[/QUOTE]
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I happen to believe in the same deity but why not some other religion?

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