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leekim
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Message 25 of 52 (18430)
09-27-2002 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by acmhttu001_2006
09-20-2002 11:21 AM


I wonder then, why we who are Americans, who are very patriotic after 9/11/01, do not remember the fact which you posted.
I have heard nothing short of the great way this country was founded and also the constitutioin [sorry mispelled] which is the backbone to our survival. Why do the religion activists continually forget that there is "separation of church and state"? Surely with everything going on as it is today, they would be continually reminded of this priniciple.
---Of course you are referring to the 1st Amendment of the Constitution which provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Therein lie the infamous "free exercise" and "establishment clause". Yet if one studies the Constitution and if one looks to the practice, intent, contemporaneous writings and actions of the "founding fathers", one would come to the conclusion that the vast majority of them had absolutely no intent and/or interest in seperating God, ie Church, and State (contrary to what some SC decisions have held over the last 50 years or so and yet now seem to be gradually retreating on). Rather, the founding fathers were only concerned that the State should not embrace one particular religion (or have preference for one) over another. Common practices at the time of the founding fathers defy the position that government should be void of religion as congressional meetings were started with daily prayer, God was referenced and permeated govermental decrees, etc.
I do not understand how anyone could forget this basic principle, it is like forgetting 2 + 2 + 4.
---Unfortunately your analysis of the establishment clause is entirely flawed and therefore makes about as much sense as 2 + 2 + 4. I am not resorting to ad hom attack, just noting that you (and many on this board) should do a little LEGAL research (as many here seem to pride themselves on facts and "extensive" research) before expounding on the Constitution, the Ammendments and the priciples contained therein.

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leekim
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Message 27 of 52 (18433)
09-27-2002 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by John
09-27-2002 12:05 PM


I am well aware of Mr. Jefferson's and Adams' "take" on religion and it's role, or lack thereof, but they were only two of the infamous "founding fathers" and therefore not dispositive of the group as a whole. If you read my prior post (which I reasonably assume you did because you responded to it), I indicated "the vast majority" of the ff, not the entirety...

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