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nator
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Message 33 of 88 (190256)
03-05-2005 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by coffee_addict
03-04-2005 6:52 PM


Re: Be a good example
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And so they should. Think of it as a nudge on the back for them to realize that there is a much bigger world out there.
Carrots and sticks.
When I was little, I asked my pharmacist father why all the medicines had such funny sounding names.
He said; "They aren't funny sounding."
That's all he said. He didn't try to explain that which I figured out on my own much later; that the names often referred to the chemical compounds of the drug or the action of what the drug was supposed to do.
Now, when I asked that question, it was an honest question, and he made me feel silly and stupid and that it was simply wrong of me to have asked it.
He should have taken it as an opportunity to teach me something, but instead made me much less likely to ask him any more questions at all.
(Of course, this was the same man who bitterly complained that none of his children wanted to go into pharmacy)
If people already feel intimidated, they need patience and gentleness, not snottiness or any kind of "nudge", as you put it.

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nator
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Message 34 of 88 (190258)
03-05-2005 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by PecosGeorge
03-05-2005 6:22 PM


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t is the people you belittle and classify as dumb who hold many a purse string you care to tap for the sake of science.
Do you see now how unscientific it is to treat them poorly?
I really don't get where all of this righteous indignation is coming from.
This thread is meant for people who feel scared of asking questions to be assured that they will be treated gently.
Is that wrong?
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Even tho I love science and the wonders it has discovered,I'll not give another pluck nickel for research regardless of how it may benefit man.
It is here I learned to think that way. From folks like you.
Looking to send us back to the Dark Ages, PG?

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nator
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Message 41 of 88 (190319)
03-06-2005 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by PecosGeorge
03-06-2005 8:15 AM


Looking to send us back to the Dark Ages, PG?
quote:
You haven't left them yet, Schraf.
Uh, what?
I am not superstitious, I don't believe in hexes or heresy, and I don't think I've burned anyone at the stake lately.
I asked that question in responst to your statement that you are going to refuse to contribute funds to any scientific research ever again.
If science and rational inquiry goes away, the ignorance and superstition of the Dark Ages fills the vacuum.
I was simply asking if that was what you really wanted.
So, is it?
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You need a good PR man, especially here, to get you out of them.
Trigger words, such as 'righteous indignation', are your method of suggesting I should feel naughty?
It was the phrase that I thought best described the attitude of your posts.
You appear to be insulted and outraged. Thus "righteous indignation."
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So, you have made 'a thread' where people will get treated GENTLY when they ask a question about something they do not know. By this you admit that they do not at any other time and will not again once this thread closes.
Well, there are some posters for whom patience is not their strongpoint. They wouldn't be likely to enjoy this thread.
OTOH, there are plenty of Creationist posters who are not at all interested in learning anything.
This thread is not for them, either.
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I reject science as a legitimate alternative to Christian, or other faith.
Yeah, me too.
Where did you get the idea that science was a faith?

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nator
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Message 57 of 88 (190587)
03-08-2005 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by PecosGeorge
03-08-2005 8:11 AM


Re: Be a good example
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Some friends who know more about such things than I do, and have a rapt listener in me, think the angel knew how to bend space.
That is an interesting speculation, but for it to become anything more than speculation, there needs to be a lot more positive evidence to support it before it would become generally accepted within the scientific community.
Some big bits of evidence needed:
1) Evidence that angels exist in general.
1a) If we determine that angels exist, we need to determine what their properties are. A demonstration of an angel "bending space" would be great.
2) Evidence that this particular angel existed.
3) Evidence that David existed.
etc.
The point is, one can insert any kind of speculative "explanation" into why a certain fantastic event may have happened. I could say that it wasn't an angel that helped David, but an alien, or a demon in disguise, or a Shinto god, or whatever, and these would all be consistent with the story.
What needs to be provided to make a scientific case is evidence.

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nator
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Message 70 of 88 (190676)
03-08-2005 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Trump won
03-08-2005 5:19 PM


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Do you think homosapiens will grow more and more intelligent to the point of evolving into a new species?
Much of our intelligence is due to our ability to teach each new generation what we have already figured out, not because we are getting smarter.

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nator
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Message 72 of 88 (190678)
03-08-2005 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Trump won
03-08-2005 5:47 PM


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well I mean how he said you evolve and get more sand more brain cells
Remember, too, that a bigger brain doesn't always mean "more intelligent".
Dolphins and whales have brains that are similar in size, or even larger than, our own brains.

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