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Author Topic:   The Implied Pre-Genesis Ice Age & It's Interesting Implications
jar
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Message 24 of 65 (192045)
03-17-2005 1:39 AM


Genesis 1
1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God skated upon the ice on the rink.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light and stadium beer commercials.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness so that the commercials danced and twinkled attracting additional attention.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night and the pair ADVERTISING. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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jar
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Message 26 of 65 (192051)
03-17-2005 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by arachnophilia
03-17-2005 1:42 AM


Re: Genesis 1
Ice hockey is definitely implied by Genesis, even the violence. Neither Cain nor Able had their own front teeth. Able was a goalie for Montreal for a while but Cain was a winger. Neither ever dogged a backcheck and there is no mention of either deaking.
This message has been edited by jar, 03-17-2005 12:51 AM

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jar
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Message 34 of 65 (192206)
03-17-2005 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
03-17-2005 7:37 PM


Re: 1: In the beginning God created: Genesis 1
Sorry Buz. You have something you believe. That's fine. It has no more support though than the idea that Genesis describes a skating rink.
Just as you find my statement somewhat unnerving, many of us find what we see as gross distortions of Genesis and the Bible as ridiculing reasonable interpretations.
You expressed your belief. I believe your interpretation makes light of what is actually in the Bible. You are free to challenge my interpretations.
Trying to use Genesis as a science book draws attention away from the message.
Christianity is a wonderous faith, one that has great potential for improving life in this world we inhabit. But when people take parts of it and misue them, it detracts from anything that Christianity can possibly accomplish.
I see no support for your position. Genesis is not a literal history of how the world was created. It's a generalized tale trying to show that the Universe is the creation of a Deity. It's meant to be read as allegory and morality play. It's not science. It has nothing to do with creation, the creation myth is simply a plot device that the various authors used.

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jar
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Message 37 of 65 (192231)
03-18-2005 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Buzsaw
03-17-2005 11:37 PM


Re: 1: In the beginning God created: Genesis 1
I interpret Genesis with some science as guidelines, such as my arguments for the ice age pre Genesis planet. Your blasphemous bordering Holy Spirit rink skater nonsense is not appreciated. You should know better as a professed Christain.
But we KNOW that simply is not a correct interpretation, in fact it is no closer to the truth than my comparison to an Ice Rink.
We KNOW that for the first Billion Years or so that the earth was here it was a molten wasteland with NO water to freeze even if it was in the dark.
We KNOW that the sun existed long before the earth did.
We KNOW there was light LONG before the earth existed.
And we know that the concept of Day and Night could not exist until the earth was formed and both rotating and revolving around the sun.
Trying to pretend that there is any real science in Genesis is not only piss poor science, it's piss poor theology.
Yes, this is a Faith and Belief forum. And as a Christian I believe it's my duty to speak out when folk try to bastardize the Bible and debase the Christian Faith.

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jar
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Message 46 of 65 (192384)
03-18-2005 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Buzsaw
03-18-2005 8:18 PM


Re: 1: In the beginning God created: Genesis 1
What should one expect from a professed Christian who, so far has denied all but two supernatural events of the Bible, i.e. the miracle birth of Jesus and his resurrection?
Can you try to deal with the post and stop silly attacks on the poster.
More of your meanspirited insolence, Jar. Too bad I need to do my own moderating here in town.
Yet another attack on the poster instead of the post.
Buz writes:
jar writes:
We KNOW that for the first Billion Years or so that the earth was here it was a molten wasteland with NO water to freeze even if it was in the dark.
Your evidence?
The temperature of the earth during the collation phase was far too high for water to exist in any form. In fact, where the water came from is still one of the most debated subjects in science.
From what I've read of this, secularist scientists believe both earth and sun are around 4.5 billion years old.
Around. A key word. During the period of planet construction, the sun definitely existed. Its mass is one of the things that determined that planets even formed. No sun, no planets. There are planets, therefore there was a sun there first.
Buz writes:
jar writes:
And we know that the concept of Day and Night could not exist until the earth was formed and both rotating and revolving around the sun.
And your evidence that God couldn't produce the light is what?
Day and night do not depend on light, but rather a body that revolves and rotates so that one side faces the light while the other side faces away. For there to be day and night there had to be a point source light, AND the earth needed to be rotating so that it was partially lighted and partially dark.
Or are you now reducing GOD even further to being just a point of light, yet another limitation. LOL

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jar
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Message 50 of 65 (192398)
03-18-2005 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Buzsaw
03-18-2005 10:47 PM


Re: 1: In the beginning God created: Genesis 1
The topic is about my hypothesis, not yours.
Exactly.
The topic is about your hypothesis.
Your hypothesis is nonsense, depends on a GOD that is a liar and cheat; LOKI, not the Christian GOD.
As a Christian it is my duty to expose such heretical, perhaps even blasphemous, ideas. It's EVERY Christians duty to expose piss-poor theology.
At least the Bible has an answer to that problem and it has it existing at the time God began his work on it, first by applying light and heat, light implicating heat.
Too bad it's not supported by ANY of the evidence.
1. That is, assuming there was no God to do things differently, as the Bible clearly states.
Nope, GOD may well have been there. But not a GOD that is a liar and cheat.
Oh, so you've moved from "long before" to "around." Ok, at least your correcting yourself.
No correction. The sun had to be there before ANY planets could form. If the Bible says that the earth was formed first, it is wrong.
2. Omnipotent God is able to creat things like animals, Adam, and the sun relatively suddenly with appearance of age.
Sure, but only if the GOD is LOKI. LOL
The HS is multipresent, and not necessarily omnipresent, imo. He produce day and night in any way he chooses. God is omnipotent.
So you do believe that GOD is LOKI.
Glad we got that settled.

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jar
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Message 61 of 65 (192621)
03-19-2005 8:50 PM


There is NO Implied Pre-Genesis Ice Age.
Any reading of the creation stories in Genesis shows no indication that there was ever a Pre-Genesis Ice Age.
If we look at the first creation story in Genesis it specifically refutes any possibility of an ice age.
If you look at the first two verses of Genesis you will find:
Genesis 1:1-2
1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
"In the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth"
"And the earth was without form"
These are most important statements and absolutely refute ANY possibility that there was Pre-Genesis Ice Age, or even an Ice Age in the early part of Genesis.
First, the earth did not exist Pre-Genesis. There could be NO Pre-Genesis anything according to the Bible.
Once the earth was created it was without form.
That totally refutes any nonsensical interpretation of an early Ice Age. While liquid water and gaseous water have no form, they simply take on the shape of their container, the solid form of water most certainly does. It has a form and distinct characteristics that are unique.
These two lines, the very first lines from Genesis totally refute any absurd ideas that there was either a Pre-Genesis Ice Age or one during the beginning day of Genesis.
It is impossible to support either Ice Age hypotheses from a Biblical standpoint or a scientific one.
Any such claims are piss-poor science and piss-poor theology.
AbE
I believe that GOD created the Universe so that would certainly make me a creationist. I'm also a Christian and take great umbrage when folk misuse and misquote the Bible.
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jar
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Message 64 of 65 (192643)
03-19-2005 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by arachnophilia
03-19-2005 9:20 PM


Re: There is NO Implied Pre-Genesis Ice Age.
we're reading different versions, i suspect.
One of the strogest features of the Bible is that you can support ANY conclusion on any subject.
Just choose your versions well.

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