The Implied Pre-Genesis Ice Age & It's Interesting Implications

where are you reading heat? and the light you're reading is DAYTIME. look, light and ice! how can that be! yes, i'm sure god was reading genesis when he decided to create the world. what a tricky god! why would he mislead us?

agreed. not even textual. it doesn't even agree with what the bible SAYS. you can't be a fundamental literalist, insisting the events of genesis 1 are actually true in every respect if you utterly ignore what the bible actually says. what's wrong with god being a liar and a cheat?

sigh. alright, here's a better example. find me the liquid water here. because if you can, i'm sure nasa will want to know about it. mars gets only marginally less light than earth, but doesn't seem to have heat or liquid water. why is that? yes, and i'm sure gainesboro painted "blue boy" to LOOK like he'd painted out the dog when xrayed, but there never really was a dog in the painting.basically, you're saying that god is trying to trick us. that he's dishonest in his work. he pulled an all nighter, and tried to make it look he'd been doing the research for years. now, it's fine if that's what you're saying. i'm ok with god being dishonest, and a liar and a cheat. but i don't suspect that you're ok with that.god also gave us common sense. what happened to yours?

i believe god is responsible for creation. that makes me a creationist. i suspect wmscott is too. suck it up.

actually, it does. it's not "beginning" and "end," it's "evening" and "morning." or rather, "night and day." it's refering back to the first cycle of dark followed by light. which means a literal 24 hour day. jews today still regard the day as starting at sundown.all other interpretation is apologist bs. it's not what the text says. but it's not a parable, is it? genesis 1:1-2:4 is one whole account. where's the moral? the hidden meaning? the metaphor? genesis as a whole is a collection of cultural mythology, specificially of origins. like our stories about washington cutting down a cherry tree, or throwing a coin across the delaware. i held a similar belief for a long time, only rejecting it recently. (except i was using a logarithmic scale...)the seventh day is the sabbath. the story is essentially an etiology of why we're supposed to take saturdays off. god does no work during the sabbath. so if day seven goes from adam to now, then the verse about god resting is a lie. he clearly did a lot of work for moses.seventh day is also not mentioned as having an evening (the first part) either. by your logic, that would actually mean that everything is squeezed into the end of day six, and we haven't reached day 7 yet, which would be after the end of the world. this was actually my particular reading for a long time.however, that would make genesis 1 a sort of preface and overriding structure for the entire bible, and that's just not the case. the second chapter tells essentially the same story, in the same amount of space, and at the same level of detail. one is clearly not the expansion of the other, they are independent stories. you're reading a modern earth view into the story. the earth in genesis, for all intents and purposes, is FLAT. it probably also doesn't extended very far beyond the middle east. well, there's a couple possibilities, isn't there? just because one isn't right doesn't mean your's has to be. the hebrews at the time sismply did not have a concept of a rotating earth. they didn't know it was round. and if they did, i've already shown evidence in this thread that daytime and the sun are not connected in the text. if they knew the world was round, maybe they though that when they had daytime, so did the people on the otherside of the planet. (although i suspect the first case is more correct)or, maybe the guy over at timecube.com is right. now, here, you are committing the bible-dictionary translation fallacy. a day is a day is a day. the hebrew usage is actually very close to our english usage (i suspect strongly that english usage was affected by the bible). day can mean either sundown to sundown, or the period of time in which the sun is up.when it's used otherwise, as a period of time, it's used in plural. the days of adam's life, for instance, means how long adam lived. here, day technically means year. but it's usage is different.the THIRD usage, which you've brought up here, is "in the day." it doesn't mean any specific period of time at all. in modern english, it means "when." it's just a fanciful way of saying it.

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Gen 2:4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens

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in the 7000 years that the lord god made the earth? doesn't that conflict with your view, then? or when the lord god made everything?

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Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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in the 7000 years that you thereof? or when you eat?

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Gen 35:3 And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

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in the 7000 years of my distress? or when i was distressed?genesis 1 says "day" and "night," not "days," not "in the day." so when genesis 1 says "the light is called day" and "an evening and a morning: the first day" it means the same kind of day we have now, and NOT an era.

mine reads "when god began to create heaven and earth." the next sentance rightly implies that the earth *cough* had ALWAYS been there. as had the deep. god is responsible for the writing on the blackboard, but not the manufacturing of the blackboard, apparently. we're reading different versions, i suspect. here's an even better one i found the other day:

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In the beginning the Mighty One filled the skies and the land because the world existed devoid and void. A chaotic void was over the face of the deep then the creative breath of the Mighty One hovered over the face of the water.

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http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/9_poetic.htmleither way, the implications of the hebrew are that the void (water) existed long before god did anything with it, and the earth probably did was well. it's just that neither had any form. i think you'll likely find similar themes in other mythologies, and creation-ex-nihilo kind of rare. yes, quite.

the trick is to try to find the one the least tainted by religious bias and dogma. which is damned near impossible.but either way, i'm just after what the text is about. i don't intend to support any conclusions about the real world with it. i don't care if it says the earth is flat and there's water just outside our atmosphere. i'm really ok with it being just plain wrong.