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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
it's a well known FACT that the national socialist party of germany took over the country in the manner i described, and sent some 11 million people -- not just jews -- to their deaths in interment camps. it is in no way perpetuating and bias regarding judaism, and claim it has is showing your own cultural bias. what about the 5 million gypsies, catholics, and gays? You must hate them too. Hey, you said it, not me. You're the one that's condoning these positions and actions by describing them.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
You must hate them too. Hey, you said it, not me. You're the one that's condoning these positions and actions by describing them. show me where i described or even mentioned nazi bias of any kind? i mentioned specific and documented actions, when you prompted it. i did not describe what motivated those actions, but did elaborate that it is biased to assert that it was only one specific group. you're really good at reading things aren't there.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Sorry, Arach. I don't talk with anti-semites.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
but you do associate with rapists?
gosh you're being obtuse. for one you're carrying a debate over from another thread. it has no place here. keep it to the other thread. and for another, you're reading completely the wrong bias, which tells me that you don't know the first thing about what you'e talking about in this thread or the other one. at least be CONSISTENT to my argument if you're gonna make fun of it. saying that what i said promotes anti-semitism is like me saying your argument in the other thread promotes rape. which is not what i'm saying at all.
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3806 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
I was aware of your analogy but probably wasn't clear myself. It is my opinion that holding U.S. citizens without rights to an attorney or habeus corpus is very close to the form of an internment camp, albeit one that is more strict in who becomes interned. I also think an internment camp doesn't necessarily have to hold ALL of the muslim population and they all don't need to be from the country having the camps. If you look at internment camps for japanese in WW2, they were mainly for those japanese on the west coast, while those living on the east coast of the united states continued to go to work and live at home.
While I don't believe that this country as a whole would condone sending our own muslim population to these camps, it seems awfully easy for the government to jail and take away the rights of U.S. muslim citizens who are "suspected" of supporting terrorism. The justification for refusing rights to individuals which we have jailed is that they "might" be terrorists seems too easy. I don't think we can make an analogy with nazi germany but I would say that nazi germany didn't start out sending their jewish population to internment camps, they started making laws that eroded basic human rights of the jewish population. I am sure clandestine and overt (discriminatory) surveilance was one. I would hazard a guess that if another terrorist act was commited on U.S. soil and it was attributed to a muslim, we could see further erosion of rights, such as a national identification system for muslims or some strict controls or monitoring overtly, their movement. (Slightly off topic but I think interelated.) To stear this back towards the topic, I think the United States government is most likely surpressing information about who they are holding and why, in what they consider a national security interest The danger in my view is at what point does national security usurp the rights of the individual. Government can too easily slip into the "Keep it secret for National Security" mindset and take away rights sometimes without the population realizing it or caring One form of this secretive issue is the creation of fake news, in order to hide, manipulate, or deflect interest away from issues such as War, internments, or anything else related to national security. One of the fake news programs I saw produced by this government was a news feed showing "cheering and elated" Iraqis for the January election. What it turns out to be is a staged event. The government paid these poeple to cheer and be happy and read from a script how they felt. What kind of information does that tell you the U.S. government is feeding its people?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
very good points. i agree.
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3806 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
I tend to save and copy to my hard drive those stories I find worrisome. Of course lately I have had to purge much just because I needed more room for actual work.
Feel free to bring this list up, I am already aware of Faux news but it might be interesting to see which stories from our government were picked up by the newswires or actually planted. I mean if the government can have a "pseudo-journalist" planted in the white house press room, how much easier to just plant the stories. Or they could just pay "journalists" to be cheerleaders for the government's programs, oh wait...that already happened.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
The theme, as I see it, is the quality of the output of the U.S. news and information industry.
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3806 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
In my reply to Mick's message 9 I touched on some of this subject. (only mention this because I didn't want to be redundant, in case you read it already) What I'd also like to add, is what effect might Alberto "I don't condone torture" Gonzales have in regards to the patriot act. It seems that the FBI/(CIA?) is looking to expand some of the powers from the Patriot act and to extend the life of those already given. With the Republicans threatening to use the "Nuclear Option" regarding fillibusters, they may be able to get these chages pushed through. Whether they have the support I am not sure but it looks like the train is picking up steam and leaving the station.
(edited to add: but this is off topic and since I started the thread I should try to stay more focused.) This message has been edited by DBlevins, 04-06-2005 03:40 AM
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3806 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
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I have taken this message and turned it into its own topic. Please see Yuca Mountain Nuclear Waste Depository. Adminnemooseus This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-06-2005 02:28 PM This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-06-2005 05:46 PM
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gnojek Inactive Member |
You know, here I am sitting at a university with lexis-nexis access and I never used it. Now that you have turned me on to it, I WILL use it.
I never heard of the napalm thing. One search for "napalm" landed a dozen or so hits about Fallujah. Again, you have my gratitude! Here is one example from right after the election:
quote: I say to anyone who even lives near a university to visit the library and hit this thing regularly.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Book:
Ben Bagdikian - The New Media Monopoly Interview:David Barsamian interviews Ben Bagdikian for Alternative Radio. Transcription of interview is available in the March 2005 issue of Z Magazine.I think it will eventually be available online to non-subscribers also. Recording of interview for sale at http://alternativeradio.org/programs/BAGB007.shtmlAll Ben Bagdikian at Page not found — Alternative Radio Real Audio feed (and at least for now 96k MP3 feed) at Playlist for The Belly of the Beast with Stefan - April 8, 2005WFMU: The Belly of the Beast with Stefan: Playlist from April 8, 2005 Click on the available feed option of your choice. The "Propaganda Hour" starts 2 hours into the show (I've checked the "Real Audio" version - If you go to 2:00:00 you are just before the beginning). There are sometimes links at the right edge of the playlists, to jump to specific points in the show, but they don't yet seem to be in place . Direct link to real audio feed:http://www.wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=14682&archive=19387 Direct link to MP3 feed:http://www.wfmu.org/listen.m3u?show=14682&archive=19388 Maybe I'm a leftist, but I thought this was probably the most powerful hour of talk radio I ever heard. Moose Added by edit: Check out the very begining of the show also. This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 04-08-2005 04:24 PM This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 04-10-2005 06:19 AM
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Fallujah residents reported that innocent civilians had been killed by napalm, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel which makes the human body melt. ROFL!!! You believe everything you read eh? No, the US (or coalition) is not using napalm. Great source of info though. "Fallujah residents." Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Great source of info though. "Fallujah residents." Amongst others.
quote: "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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