Evolution and Big Bang theory

In many of the topics made by creationists I often see Evolution and Big Bang theory confronted at the same time, because many creationists think that both theories were made together as a conspiracy to try to disprove the existence of god. While it is true that in science these two theories are unrelated, as far as creationists are concerned they couldnt be more related.In some of my replys I tend to look like I feel that big bang theory and evolution are related, this is because they are both part of science and to describe the universe you have to include all aspects of it so to say that evolution and big bang theory should be kept very seperate is something I dont agree with. History would be incomplete without both of them together.When I was younger and was only interested in cosmology, physics, astronomy, etc... I was prepared to defend my beliefs but it seemed that every time I ran into a creationist they always wanted to try to disprove evolution, even when I had only mentioned Big Bang theory! Eventually I decided that I had to learn some more about evolution.I think the people who believe that evolution and Big Bang theory should be kept seperate are people who mainly study evolution because although my learnings of biology have never mentioned any physics, my learning of physics have often mentioned evolution, not discussing the science of it persay but including it in history so there is no blank spot in the timeline. To me everything in science is related because it all has the same goal. Its like having detectives in a murder case keeping their evidence seperate and never discuss how they all fit together to show what happened. Anyway tell me what you think.This message has been edited by notwise, 06-28-2005 03:03 PM

"Why would you want to put yourself through such torture?"
QuotedBecause I feel an obligation to help people understand the universe/themselves more clearly. Sort of like freeing people in a sense. We can get more things accomplished if we are all on the same level. Unfortunatly it oftentimes doesnt have a happy ending."Most creos I have talked to don't know the first thing about science."
QuotedI agree with you. That is why I want to show them more, if you and a couple other people were mowing a lawn and you saw someone struggling to operate a lawnmower because they didnt understand it you would show them in order to get the lawn mowed more quickly. If you can tell right away that the person is not capable of understanding or will not consider what you have to say then it will not get the lawn mowed any faster so don't bother."Actually, "I heard somewhere that..." will be repeated often by them."
QuotedMost of the time the things they say after the ... are ideas that they have come up with in their spare time or they heard their pastor say and are usually based off misconceptions or have a vital flaw. Am I right GAW-Snow?Also I would like to add that in the short time I have been here I have gotten in trouble at least once and that sometimes I look like a very biased, or sometimes even hateful, person, Im just havin' one of those good moments right now ya know, gotta help my fellow man. You should see me out in the battle field .

sorry Im a bit old fashioned but yes I will do this thanks.

Thanks that makes alot of sense. Do you have a degree in physics or something. I also never thought about how my argument for evolution and Big Bang theory being connected by the fact that they both provide evidence against young earth creationists also pertains to many other fields as well. Thank you for your insights!

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You have elabborated on some of the points that modulous made and your argument is so far crystal clear. You have shown me some new ways to think about things. I assume you are not done?

I will find this book you speak of. Thank you for your recomendations.

If this is your argument then their is no way around it. No matter how the universe works you will always say "See look, what are the chances of the universe turning out like this!!!".

Not special just one of the probabilities. If the chances of your father meeting your mother were 2,000,000 to one than you are that one. just like the lottery soomeones got to win and someones got to lose and no matter who wins it always a "miracle" that it happened.

And if it is zero than we have a shot of existing.... So what?