Religion without hell?

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Originally posted by John:

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Originally posted by Syamsu:
This sort of "moral" pain also exists before death of course. I just meant to say that hellish pain exists, regardless of whether you believe in God and hell, or not.

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regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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But calling a particular pain 'hellish' is colloquial for 'it hurts a lot.' It doesn't mean anything concrete.

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nothing is concrete to you John .lol

can you boyz pleze stop for a moment , ahumm.. ive have a question that i believe maybe one or some of you may have an answer to;
ok... if cells and genes dont have a mind to do what they do, let's go one step further and look at the soul of a human...
can anyone explain the existance of a soul IN a human body, and please explain to me how it can exist in flesh..and when the flesh dies, does it evaporate into thin air...also.. i need someone with a strong mind on something i have witnessed in the night sky.. a rather
strange formation of several triangular faced pyrimids in a formation of a triangle itself.. with a triangular pyrimid shapped in itself..and the outter more spaced 3 triangles emitt a light beam to the center pyrimid, and from the center of the pyrimid comes a translucent beam that widens as it heads towards the earth, stopping exactlly 12 inches from the ground, and shinning from the width of the beam, a form of a man wearing all white clothing, a robe with a white wide belt, and sandels .. I AM VERY SERIOUS that i wittnessed this happening near my home... is there some way that with these pyrimid shapped objects one can emmitt a 3-d immage , and project it to earth from the sky??! Is there a scientist out there that can explain how this could come about? PLEASE do not post garbage..this really did happen, and i think and feel there is a way we humans can
make one of these things . . . either by the positioning of the angle of each pyrimid and how it projects the light to the center pyrimid..and soforth.. please let me know.. as i have actually seen with my own eyes this being done from the clear night sky around 11:00 at night. thanks and please again..i think i was shown this so we can bring about this technoligy.. please answer soon..

speaking of souls.. when i was about 16 years old i worked in an old folks home washing dishes... one day after being there for several months, a nurse came to the kitchen to ask who wanted to see a soul leave a dying woman who had refused to eat for the better of several weeks...i exclaimed there was no way that you could see a soul leaving a body.. the nurse exclaimed ..yes, she sees it all the time when she attends to the dying. Ok so i and 2 other workers agreed to sneak down to this dying womans room.. she was about 96 years old and the better of 6 foot tall. Arriving in her room i saw what appeared to be a skeleton covered in flesh that had sunken to the very backside of the dying woman..it was actually quite shocking for me as i have had never seen a human in this state before in my life.. as i turned to leave the room, the nurse grabbed my arm, and said dont leave its about to happen. So i reluctantly stayed to watch.. tho i did not believe it would happen, several minutes passed as we watched the dying womans chest raise and fall, slowing ever so slowly to an almost gental and calming final exhalation..then from that last exhale, came a cloud like vapor that exited in a stream whisping and rolling upward, pausing ever so long a few inches above her chest in a pillow shaped form, then all at once, began to slowly rise as if ordered to by some command from above.. i wanted to touch it , and as i stepped forward and began to reach like a child that was in awe of a new thing, the nurse blocked my hand ,and told me strictly not to touch it because it was the womans soul leaving her body..and if i touched it , it would interupt its asend into heaven. I withdrew my outstreached arm, and reluctantly withdrew my reach. I believe we all stood there for a long moment with our mouths open and eyes widened like we just witnessed some other relm. The nurse giggled with delight as she exclaimed...see i told you, it happens all the time.
I walked out of that room with the hairs on my neck standing as i almost couldnt walk normally for a few steps, as if some strange being was in the room with us, an electic or static feeling covered our entire bodies..and all at once, you could feel like a heavy weight had fallen off your being..and i ran like the dickens back to the kitchen...where i seemingly felt i had to peer out into the dark corners of the kitchen to see if some being were spying on me..oh a frightfull night that was..i will never forget that night .
so do you think what i saw was just the last vapor of water leaving or evaporating upward.. and what about the shape of the vapor assembling itself directly over her chest and stomache area?.. and pausing for a long moment, then going up ever so slowly..slower than steam from a tea kettle. Just what was it that i really had seen that night ? again i am serious..please do not be whimsickle. thanks for reading this...it has ben many years that i have told this since i was 16. im 46 now. so you can see i havent told this to anyone for all these years.untill now. thanks.