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Silent H
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Message 7 of 20 (235376)
08-22-2005 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
08-21-2005 7:58 PM


I know I just got done posting a reply agreeing we should have a moratorium on replies to each other, but since you are considering a break that may have much to do with what went on between us, I figured maybe this would be useful.
Obviously from the other thread, we both have supporters. I actually like your posts most of the time.
Here is my honest "constructive criticism", which you can think about during your hiatus, and then take or leave.:
1) It appears to me that over the course of time you have become more "angry", or "desparate" in your posts. And I don't mean that because of the disagreements we have been having. I actually noticed that before we started having problems.
By this criticism I mean to say that you are quicker to jump to a position and act as if you have been put upon to have read the post you disagree with... and that's near the start of the conversation.
It could very well be the amount of posting you do, or (this happens for me) the waiting around for something to reply to, which gets you in a pent up mood. Kind of like a caged and pacing frog... I mean tiger. This break may help calm your nerves, but it could return, and so something you might want to watch in yourself.
2) You seem concerned to be seen as right. I know you say that about me, but this is not just a slap back. There were an odd number of occassions where you hailed your own brilliance rather specifically. Knowing that you were right on some of these issues, I was still taken back with the declarations. I suppose this is part of the "desparate" thing I was discussing above as well.
You are obviously smart, and you have made really good predictions and arguments. But generalized hyping of yourself, just doesn't seem to be healthy, and perhaps sets yourself up to be more defensive when someone comes in with good arguments against your position.
In other words you have already proven yourself as intelligent and enjoyable, so you don't have to concentrate on how right you are but instead should begin seeking out where you are wrong. Welcome opposition as a challenge to yourself, because you can afford to accept error in order to grow further.
If you feel you are so brilliant there is no room to grow, then there are other problems.
3) This next point comes right from the previous one. And this is going to be very practical. You need more practice in analyzing long arguments and logic. And by this I mean gaining patience with long and perhaps longwinded writings.
If this is all about fun for you, and that certainly isn't fun, then don't do it. However I thought I remember you saying you wanted to get into science, perhaps as a writer of some kind. In that case you need to build up your mental callouses.
You have without question missed some of what I said, and what I was doing, due to an impatience with (and perhaps lack of experience in) analyzing and writing long scientific or legal literature.
This experience can only help you gain in the long term, unless of course it makes you longwinded or complex like me and arach and bill, and so alienate some readers.
Summary: Okay so I got longwinded again. But I wanted to be helpful. At the very least you can see what my evaluation of your style is. Despite our disagreements, I feel you are useful and many times right. As others have said, I tend to read your posts among the first. Obviously I do think you are wrong on some issues, but that is not as important as the "problems" I see cropping up in your writing. You could lose some of the anger, and focus less on how right you have been (you've earned your wings already), to focus on your own deficiencies which requires more patient and practiced analysis of positions and evidence before replying.
The tiger...uh frog... needs to stop pacing, ready to leap as the door is opened, and instead lie back and watch what people are really doing outside that cage, get to know them deeper than what you need for immediate attack, and letting them come in where you can maul them even better.
Sacrifice speed and number of responses, to gain in overt quality of responses, and more importantly the ability to analyze onesself and others to a greater depth.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Silent H
Member (Idle past 5849 days)
Posts: 7405
From: satellite of love
Joined: 12-11-2002


Message 9 of 20 (235419)
08-22-2005 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by robinrohan
08-22-2005 8:32 AM


To be perfectly frank, Holmes, I think that is true of you and Crshfrog--and a lot of other people.
To be absolutely clear, I think almost 100% of posters here, including myself and you, are concerned with being seen as right. I tried to explain the difference I saw in Crash.
While some may gloat from time to time (and that is true with me as well) about a past victory, or a history of victories with a specific person or on a topic. Crash's statements were general in nature, and pointing at only himself as a genius of some kind. Even as a jest, it sort of jumps out as a potential issue. And as I said he could take it or leave it, just to perhaps think about it.
If you ever see me say more than once in the space of six months that I am brilliant, and have some extraordinary insight into things, you call me on that.
My usual feeling is not that I am brilliant, but rather surprise that not as many people seem to be as up on things as they could be, and in some cases should be. My level of knowledge is not remarkable and can be achieved by at least the majority with an effort made toward understanding an issue (gathering info in a skeptical manner) before coming to a conclusion.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Silent H
Member (Idle past 5849 days)
Posts: 7405
From: satellite of love
Joined: 12-11-2002


Message 11 of 20 (235455)
08-22-2005 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by robinrohan
08-22-2005 10:19 AM


But really, what did you expect people to say to that? "Yes, your comments are garbage--get out of here"?
I wasn't interested in "get out of here" kind of comments. But yes I actually did expect that if I was having issues, people would tell me straight to my... avatar.
For example, if Brad set up a thread on himself to ask for criticism regarding his posts, as much as I like him and would want him to stay, I'd feel good about handing him my constructive criticism.
The fact that I might end posting based on criticism, was not an emotional thing, but exactly what I said. I'm here for some specific reasons, I have recently become concerned about time, and if I am having basic writing issues (or it seems that way to most people) then I could spend my time doing something else as my specific reasons for posting here would be moot.
Maybe I will set up a forum topic about ME: "I'm feeling rather low. I am going to take a break. People aren't talking about me enough. Feel free to post your comments here about ME. I'll check back in a few weeks."
Didn't you have enough of that with the EvC play thread?
By the way that was just a joke and not sarcasm. I refuse to use smileys.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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