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Author Topic:   If evolution is our origin, where will we end up?
AnEmpiricalAgnostic
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Message 19 of 33 (236512)
08-24-2005 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by nique
08-12-2005 10:31 AM


nique writes:
Yeh i dont think we could adapt that quickly, lol. Is there a rate at which evolution occurs, i realise it can take millions of years, but how quickly can an organism evolve, and is there any proof of it.
Actually, adaptation can happen very quickly. You have to keep in mind that like evolution happens for populations of organisms so does adaptation. A good example would be to think about ourselves. Humans have evolved over quite some time. During this time some people have developed and inherited a delta32 mutation. If your mother has a delta32 mutation and your father has a delta32 mutation you will inherit a double delta32 mutation. This will make you immune to AIDS. Some people have this mutation as we speak. If a drastic selection pressure were to hit us, like some kind of hyper AIDS epidemic, then everyone without the double delta32 mutation would die. The remaining population of humans would be immune as would their offspring. This means that humans will have evolved to survive that selection pressure. Evolution may take a long time, but adaptation can be forced rather quickly.
nique writes:
And also if a population all acquires the same learned behaviour and passed that onto their children is that evolution, or is evolution only changes in genes.
Evolution has become a catch all word. I’ve seen people talk about the evolution of language, evolution of the universe, or evolution of cars before. What is generally talked about in a venue such as this is biological evolution. That has to do with genetics.

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AnEmpiricalAgnostic
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Message 21 of 33 (236519)
08-24-2005 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by New Cat's Eye
08-17-2005 7:15 PM


Re: we're in the last stage
Catholic Scientist writes:
Its my opinion that were not going anywhere. I don't think we can expect much change in humans, especially on the physical trait level. I just think that natural selection has too little of an affect on humans to have any noticable change, because of the way we have taken matters into our own hands. Its like we've stopped evolving, we've stopped our own evolution. Now I have to type that I realize that the frequencies of our alleles will continue to change so technically we can never stop evolving.
It’s true that lately natural selection has not had a dramatic affect on our evolution but that is no guarantee it will remain so. Technically, we have only been around a very short while in this universe. Some nasty virus could run amok or some celestial event could make life very difficult on this planet very quickly. How much we could change is speculative, but if we look to the Eskimos or Aborigines we can start to get an idea.
This message has been edited by AnEmpiricalAgnostic, 08-24-2005 04:17 PM

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AnEmpiricalAgnostic
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Message 24 of 33 (237244)
08-26-2005 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by New Cat's Eye
08-25-2005 5:42 PM


Re: we're in the last stage
Some nasty virus could run amok or some celestial event could make life very difficult on this planet very quickly
Yeah, this goes with my point:
quote:
I just think that natural selection has too little of an affect on humans to have any noticable change, because of the way we have taken matters into our own hands.
Its gonna take something that is out of our hands to make us evolve. As long as we are in control, we can expect little to no change.
True, we have the virus end of things under pretty good control thus far. The second thing I mentioned though is still arguably out of our hands. While there are some tentative plans in the works for how we may be able to thwart a large meteor from hitting the Earth, the reality is that we are one Shoemaker-Levy 9 like event away from just trying to survive in a radically different environment. Of course this is all speculative but we can’t deny that this stuff happens and that it would definitely cause some kind of selection pressure.
I’m not sure if we’ll ever have another plague kind of event, but the discovery of the delta32 gene sheds some nice light on how we may adapt to survive such an event.

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