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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Spammers regularly spider through webpages harversting email addresses and I know they collect from this site. this is the only place that I use the e-mail associated with my posting here, just so that I can easily see the response notices. I get more spam with this addy than other accounts. I know it is a problem that percy has struggled with. perhaps he should look into munging the addresses posted. to the topic: fun. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
nearest i can tell, this is the most recent list. I get a {{302 Moved -- the document has moved Here}} error that recycles itself. I found another copy of the list (a pdf file) and have saved it for future use. Now I just need to convert it to text to use as (1) search basis and (2) checkoff list we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
yep. That's the list I saved. Note that you cannot copy text from it like a normal pdf file. Wonder why .....
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
g ... mail, you got.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
there were supposed to be asterisk on the ones known to be dead by DI
Charles? do you still have that or did you clean those off the list? I have some ideas on questions too. I like the idea of a science project. One of the questions would have to be endorsing the same statement (we don't need to say that we know they are on the list) to see what the current response is. One would also have to be a blatant endorsement of ID and one a complete rejection of ID. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
you can also parse the names and sort by last names, by institutions, etc.
5 steves ... heh. multiply the ~600 steve list by 80 .... we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
bookmarked.
no gates?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Your concerns are valid, and posting names and e-mails may be flirting with that.
But I look at it as confirmation of the list, not attacking the credibility\opinions of the people, but questioning the validity of the list and the manner it is posted by DI. Look at it as a scientific attempt to duplicate results? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and that's the way it needs to be.
I'm still thinking about the {protocols\questions\goals}
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I think it's at least a geniune attempt to engage with the supporters of ID and try and better understand their position. I honestly don't see the harm in that. Who knows, we might even encourage some to become active members on this forum.
As for the email issue - if we can google and find it, then anyone who wants to contact them can google and find it. This is easy to resolve by emailing this information to the keeper of the list rather than posting it here. This would also help develop a separation between the forum and the activity. Anyone looking up the data can check the list to see who is already covered.
In regards to point of contact - I am quite happy to be the person who puts his name at the bottom of the mail along with a short history about myself and my background,further contact details and so on. Or we could set up a new website dedicated to the truth of alternate viewpoints, kind of like a scientific SCOPES site There are a number of places you can get free hosting, netscape is one, with sufficient capacity for this project. There is another way to attack the implications of the posting, however, without contacting a single one of these people: Do an independent survey with exactly the same phrasing, but add on to it:
"WE ARE SKEPTICAL OF CLAIMS FOR THE ABILITY OF RANDOM MUTATION AND NATURAL SELECTION TO ACCOUNT FOR THE COMPLEXITY OF LIFE. CAREFUL EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE FOR DARWINIAN THEORY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED. THIS IS BECAUSE SKEPTICISM OF ALL CLAIMS, AND CAREFUL EXAMINATION OF ALL EVIDENCE, IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF EVERY SCIENCE, AND NOT BECAUSE THERE ARE ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THE SCIENCE OF EVOLUTION. 400 signatures on that should not be too hard to get, especially from biologists, and would totally invalidate the postion made by DI because their statement is unqualified. {getting signatures on that form from people on the DI list, however, would be priceless ... ) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
http://www.cgknight.f2s.com/400list280805.xls
bookmark it. you can check to see that your findings are on the list and then delete them from posts here (so spammers can't find them)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Dr Frank,
Welcome to the fray. As pointed out this is a {link and information} thread and not one for discussion. As one of the originals in this issue, I'd like to say that this point is also discussed on a parallel thread: {The DI loses one}http://EvC Forum: Discovery Institute loses one see message #13 for example. A final note: the purpose of the excercise is not regarding what the statement says but how it is used by the discovery institute and whether the people on the list are aware of that useage. Please feel free to help. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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