SIMPLE common anscestors had fewer but MORE COMPLEX systems: genomics

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ark lover: whole orders of insects could not have survived on or off the ark and it has not been discussed much here.

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Even though most Bible scholars believe the text supports they were not on the ark, for the sake of argument let’s assume they were on the ark. Why could they not have survive on the ark? (there certainly would have been plenty of room for them).

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ark lover: Many species of fresh water fish and many plants are also big problems as well. Why don’t YECs do the experiment of soaking a wide variety of plant seed in salty water for a year and then throwing them out on ground that had been under salt water to see if they grow? I think I know why. Do you?

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No, and to be honest I don’t care much. Certain topics interest me, and this ain’t one of them.Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I am off next week, and doubt this board will be one of my big priorities.

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M: Oh so the cheetah is a cat kind? And what are the cheetah's post the bottleneck they suffered? Answer for the learning impaired aka Fred..cheetah's

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Your question was incoherent.

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F: If this is true, then DISEASE = new information by this standard. Utter nonsense.

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M: LOL! HIV and other retroviruses integrate into the host genome...some of these elements as retrotransposons can take over functions of (syncytin), delete, or modify gene expression..so the utter nonesense is 100% of the posts you have written on this board.

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ROTFL! HIV creates new genetic information? Tell that to AIDS sufferers!For over three years now I have asked evolutionists who believe diseases such as sickle cell, cancer, and now HIV, add genetic information to the genome, to find any information scientist from their side to support their claim. No one has ever stepped forward. Why?

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And as to the founder population versus genetic bottleneck...they are different though I will grant you..similar. However, a founder event would be more as you incorrectly tried to illustrate with dogs and decks of cards etc. The original population is still in existence...new species eventually forms from the founders..both species (original population and new species) exist...a bottleneck like the cheetah experienced, the entire population collapses...there is no other population and no genetic diversity anywhere else because the population has crashed to a remnant...get it?

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Take it up with the evolutionist author of Principles of Planetary Biology. Here’s a portion of the 'Population Genetics and Random Evolution' chapter from his book, emphasis mine:http://www.planetarybiology.com/evolution_random/random8.htmGenerally, a genetic bottleneck is any circumstance that results in a very small population where there was once a large population. Bottlenecks include catastrophes, diversions of small groups of out migrants as founders of new populations, or even a prolonged episode of hard times at home like drought or disease.Also, see page 304 and 305 of Futuymas’ Evolutionary Biology (1998). Nowhere does he define bottlenecks such that the original parent population is gone. In fact on page 305 he describes an experiment where various houseflies are bottlenecked. This is entirely consistent with my dog breed analogy.What’s your PhD in?