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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
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I know, we could use the scientific rules of evolutionary evidence! Care to define this gem?
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Ten-sai Guest |
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I see you have a sense of humor too! Peace, Ten-sai
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Ten-sai,
quote: The Model Rules of what, exactly? There are model rules for lots of things. You claimed to have rules of evidence, now its model rules? Please cite where the model rules state they have a universal application of what evidence is. Are you trying to obfuscate? Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Well?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: No m8 hes just talking out of his arse.... (Oh and TS I am not a lawyer, I have never wanted to be a lawyer, if I did want to I would go to law school and become one however I don`t)... (Oh and "it still moves" - Gallileo)
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Joz,
quote: We both know it.... BTW Spurs lost.... Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
quote: No they didn't. 1-1 v Birmingham. PE ------------------It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out. - Bertrand Russell
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
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No they didn't. 1-1 v Birmingham.
PE [/B][/QUOTE] PE, Never trust a Leeds fan for reliable, up to date information, would seem to be the lesson to be learned...... Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Hi Ten-sai, welcome aboard! Hope you're enjoying life here at EvC Forum.
Activity level is high for the number of moderators we have, and it sometimes takes us a while to catch up with events. We try to enforce the Forum Guidelines, and there's a rule 3 regarding treating your fellow EvC Forum members with respect and remaining dispassionate in discussion. Naturally we want to encourage a fun and spirited interplay, but we also want to stay focused on the issues, something that becomes difficult when the debate becomes personalized. I'm sure you understand. Glad you've joined our happy crew! ------------------ --EvC Forum Administrator [This message has been edited by Admin, 12-02-2002]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Ten-sai,
http://EvC Forum: Ten-sai, Evidence, Law, & Science. -->EvC Forum: Ten-sai, Evidence, Law, & Science. Thanks, Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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Ten-sai Guest |
Hi Admin,
Glad those are just mere "guidelines" and not actual "rules" members must contract into as a condition precendent to joining. Although I understand your frustration with being unable to control people, you must likewise understand that's the tradeoff when you allow anonymous internet surfers to publish anything-they-want on "your"(really?) website without consideration. Because I wouldn't exactly call an anonymous email account and a fictitious name a valid conduit of consideration. (Now I guess Mark wants to argue with me about the meaning of a "contract" because, like EVIDENCE, "contract" is a legal term and Mark seems to like to talk about them legal words??? ) Otherwise, you wouldn't have any current members! But there's always censorship, thread closings, and bans to deal with those whose styles you don't like. So, Admin, I stand by what I said. Please give me an example of what you feel I posted was inappropriate (the only one I can think of is where I asked Shrafinator if she was a feminazi, and she in turn asked me if I was a "woman-hater", criminally insane, and in a mental hospital - talk about "if the shoe fits"!! ). Love to hear your reasons as well while you juxtapose my alleged infraction(s) against your beloved guidelines! Seriously though, this is no joke; I would love for us both to publicly look at the NUMEROUS violations of your beloved guidelines, of course by myself as well as the countless others! Therefore, there is only one solution: BAN US ALL!!!! Peace, Ten-sai PS. But thanks for the tip. My question for you: are there any creationist Admins here? You know, the ones that believe God created life and everything around us? 'Cause mesmells a bias . . . PSS. Mark, you are right. A lawyer doesn't know anything about EVIDENCE. So please advise. I am waiting anxiously for your future counsel on what YOU think evidence is, although, I have to say, this will be the first time I've heard anybody assert evidence is a subjective thing. Are you now saying science is subjective or are you saying that science doesn't work with evidence??? Hoo-boy!! What a tangled web we weave . . .
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Ten-sai,
quote: Post 18 please. I have already answered your question regarding what evidence is, & have been waiting for some time for a response, see post one. Your turn. What is evidence? Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with. [This message has been edited by mark24, 12-02-2002]
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Ten-sai Guest |
Hi Mark,
I'm afraid you most certainly DID NOT answer my question about what evidence is... You said:Would this definition be getting close? ... I must ask:Was that a question or a statement? You don't sound too sure of yourself. Besides, quoting another source makes you no less ignorant of the topic. Was hoping for your words... Mark:The definition of evidence are the rules themselves which memorialize the concept Me:Which rules? Oh yeah, you said the "Federal Rules", but then contradict(legal term: IMPEACHED) yourself in a most excellent word economy by stating the "Federal Rules" don't apply to science (I think you quoted the Rules' logically impotent housekeeping provision on PAGE ONE)?????????? Therefore, we never actually get an answer from you about what you or any other evolutionist (if you speak for them) truely believe evidence is... Let's recap: In this last post of yours, you stated you've already published what you believe evidence is... Upon review of the record, it was established you quoted another's definition of evidence as "evidence are the rules themselves that memorialize the concept", citing Federal Rules. However, you believe, although never having actually read, the Federal Rules don't apply to evidence in science (not true though, remember Forensic Evidence?) based on reading a page one housekeeping provision. ???????????????????? So, try again. Tell us (really this time!!) what evidence is and, remember, I admit that lawyers don't know ANYTHING about EVIDENCE. And since you've yet to tell us what evidence is (except that you quoted anothere source and erroneously believe the Federal Rules or presumably any other codified Rules of Evidence are irrelevant to science), I, as well as other lawyers, am axiously awaiting your response. Your answer will clear up the mystery as to why stupid lawyers like Phillip E. Johnson and myself don't buy your "evolution has lots of evidence" B-U-N-K argument. Until next time, Peace, Ten-sai P.S. Hint: Evolution is a conclusion and a patently erroneous one . . . Try (once you embrace the concept) looking at the evidence first before you reach a conclusion. Back to the drawing board I guess: What is evidence? [This message has been edited by Ten-sai, 12-02-2002]
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Hi Ten-sai!
Please accept a 24-hour suspension of posting privileges. ------------------ --EvC Forum Administrator
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
ten-sai writes: Although I understand your frustration with being unable to control people, you must likewise understand that's the tradeoff when you allow anonymous internet surfers to publish anything-they-want on "your"(really?) website without consideration. It's not really "my" website. I only pay the bills and write the code. EvC Forum is run for all site members on both sides of the Creation/Evolution issue. Any view is permitted, the only requirement is to follow the guidelines.
PS. But thanks for the tip. My question for you: are there any creationist Admins here? You know, the ones that believe God created life and everything around us? 'Cause mesmells a bias . . . One thing on my long list of things to do is to add a list of the admins in a few visible places. There are currently three admins: 2 evolutionist and 1 Creationist, and I'm currently looking for another Creationist admin to balance things out:
The last person to receive a suspension of posting privileges here was nos482, an evolutionist. ------------------ --EvC Forum Administrator [This message has been edited by Admin, 12-02-2002]
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