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Author Topic:   Why do we only find fossils?
randman 
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Message 112 of 136 (258909)
11-11-2005 2:53 PM
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11-11-2005 2:42 PM


Re: Other relevant Lagersttten
It's a little more complicated than that. I think QM basically confirms ID because it shows consciousness is required for physical things to exist in any one state. THe QM interpretation I am following here is John Wheeler's and Anton Zellinger's as well as others'.
To explain the mechanism would entail a physics thread, and of course, not all physicists agree, but when you realize everything essentially "Poofs" into existence every moment from it's probability state/energy information pattern, then it's easier to get past disbelief based on classical concepts of physical reality.
Moreover, I also question the assumptions we use in interpretating data, specifically the assumption of a static past or static time-line. I think, more and more, we will see that the past is not unchanging and perhaps the present consists of several or many different "pasts" melded together, and so the evidence can be confusing without understanding better how reality is constructed.
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Message 114 of 136 (258913)
11-11-2005 2:59 PM
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11-11-2005 2:57 PM


Re: Other relevant Lagersttten
Yaro, no I am saying we always only witness "poofs." Poofs are basic to what consitutes physical reality. Understanding that helps to understand how any of the following can be possible:
1. Species could evolve via an intelligent force causing the changes to occur much faster than what is called "natural means" via random mutation and selection; super-evolution via ID.
2. Species could appear from other multi-verses.
3. Species could appear, poof, into the earth created by an Intelligent Designer.
4. The universe itself, containing both subluminal and superluminal structures, could have built-in mechanisms for manifesting new species besides biological evolution.
Any of all of the above.
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Message 116 of 136 (258916)
11-11-2005 3:05 PM
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11-11-2005 2:59 PM


Re: Other relevant Lagersttten
OK.

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Message 121 of 136 (259475)
11-13-2005 11:09 PM
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11-13-2005 1:25 PM


Re: General Problems with ID and "poofing"
Why as an artist do I not just try to do the exact same painting over and over again?
Why do they all seem "related?"
Use your brain and think about it.

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Message 123 of 136 (259484)
11-13-2005 11:33 PM
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11-13-2005 11:27 PM


Re: General Problems with ID and "poofing"
Why is a theological question, one I am capable of answering, but nothing really to do with the factual issues raised here.
You choose to disbelieve in God because you cannot imagine why God would have created things the way they are. Your disbelief is not rooted in facts, logic or any such thing, but in your own incredulity.
Let me ask you something. Why do you ascribe pleasure as good and pain as bad? You already accept an arbitrary faith judgment, and then use that judgement to deny God exists. You merely assert your faith here without any factual or historical basis whatsoever.
As far as this world's suffering, if you want to learn the Christian perspective on why a good God, full of Love, would allow suffering, we can do that, and it's not hard to explain it, at least the words, but it's probably a different thread.
The fact you choose to disbelieve in the existence of God based on your faith and consider that a scientific perspective is telling.
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Message 127 of 136 (259610)
11-14-2005 11:08 AM
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11-14-2005 8:19 AM


Re: General Problems with ID and "poofing"
Yaro, it's off-topic. I have no issue at all reconciling reality with the God of the Bible, but it's still off-topic.

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Message 129 of 136 (259617)
11-14-2005 11:29 AM
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11-14-2005 11:26 AM


Re: General Problems with ID and "poofing"
I have mentioned that what we observe as maintaining and bringing particles and thus all physical things into existence looks very much like the "poofing" concept you choose to disbelieve. Maybe making a comparison can help you, and then you can take some time to learn about the science of physical reality. Take a projection of some sort, such as TV or whatever. In reality, the projection even if appearing to be still is not still. There are frames being projected, and there are waves of light showing the projection. The information itself exists somewhere and is being projected out in waves as a physical form.
That is crude but not an altogether wrong depiction of what occurs with physical things; they are a projection pattern of an information set. What we think of as physical is not still or stationary. It is the produce of the information set that exists somewhere outside of our normal concepts of space and time, which is why things like entanglement can be occur, which creates such a connection that immediate action at a distance occurs observably between entangled particles, which appears thus superluminally to us and suggests there exists profound connections in a deeper structure of the universe beyong the speed of light.
It's still off-topic though, and personally I don't want to be goaded into getting banned.
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Message 134 of 136 (259937)
11-15-2005 12:02 PM
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11-15-2005 11:57 AM


Re: General Problems with ID and "poofing"
Percy, can you let yaro know that?

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