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nator
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Message 1 of 32 (278022)
01-11-2006 8:11 AM


In another thread, Prophex made yet another a claim about how scientists and the work they do are irrelevant to what's "really important" and that they make "large incomes".
He went on to chastize those of us who objected to this statement by saying that "thesee are the complaints of the rich man".
I have a few questions for Prophex:
Since many kinds of science lead directly towards alleviating poverty, suffering, and starvation, how is it that you so blithely dismiss science as a worthless endeavor?
Does your God want the starving and diseased to stay that way, or does he want scientists to help find solutions and cures?
Even though I asked several times, Prophex, for you to explain exactly how much money you think scientists' "large income" is, you still have not answered me. Why is that?
You seem to believe that the only "true" sacrifices are those made by the destitute.
Does that mean, by extension, that no one who is not destitute can be described as deserving of anything they have earned? Or can anyone who is not destitute be described as having worked hard?

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nator
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Message 14 of 32 (278624)
01-13-2006 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by joshua221
01-11-2006 7:21 PM


answer
Does your God want the starving and diseased to stay that way, or does he want scientists to help find solutions and cures?
quote:
Without God, people would know only of death and disease.
During what periods in history did we experience more death and disease; pre-science or post-science?
Was there more or less belief in the divine pre-science or post- science?
Does that mean, by extension, that no one who is not destitute can be described as deserving of anything they have earned? Or can anyone who is not destitute be described as having worked hard?
Short answers will suffice. Make them direct. Do not avoid the questions or try to sidestep them.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 25 of 32 (278985)
01-14-2006 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by joshua221
01-13-2006 11:15 PM


Re: answer
Look, when you evade questions, everyone can see it.
When you back away from arguments but refuse to admit your error, everyone can see it.
When you run away, everyone can see it.
I admit to doing all of these things at one time or another, but you have made it into an art form, because you do it so often.
That's very poor form on a debate board, hon.

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nator
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Message 26 of 32 (278986)
01-14-2006 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
01-13-2006 11:44 PM


Re: answer
quote:
and why are you picking on Scraff??? is it fun?
Is that what he thinks he's doing?
I just figured that his lame-ass arguments enjoy pain, so he put them in harm's way again.

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nator
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Message 28 of 32 (279066)
01-14-2006 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by joshua221
01-14-2006 9:03 PM


Re: Fact is...
quote:
Fact is, is that she thinks she has a hard life.
In some respects, I have.
Tell me, prophex...
How "hard" of a life does someone have to have led for you to consider them worthy of that honor?
Is someone who has grown up in rural Alabama with no heat or running water, who sometimes went hungry, was molested and raped at a young age by male relatives, had very loving, wonderful grandparents, was a victim of institutionalized racism and sexism, went to substandard schools so they are illiterate, but who always got pretty good health and dental care considered by you to have had a "hard life"?
What if they had heat and running water, went to good schools, but were still molested and raped and still were a victime of racism and sexism.
What if they had running water but no heat, weren't raped or molested, but were illiterate because of poor schools, and were victims of sexism but not racism?
Which ones qualify as having led a "hard" life and which ones don't, according to you?
quote:
She thinks she has sacrificed.
You seem to believe that the only "true" sacrifices are those made by the destitute.
Does that mean, by extension, that no one who is not destitute can be described as deserving of anything they have earned? Or can anyone who is not destitute be described as having worked hard?
You never did give a direct answer to these questions.
Why don't you try doing that for once?
quote:
She thinks that people of knowledge are not given this right out of wealthiness.
What?
Please work harder to express yourself more clearly and precisely.
quote:
She thinks she can tell me I am the one running.
Of course you are.
Otherwise, you would answer my questions directly and clearly.
quote:
She thinks that my argument was lame.
Mostly, I think your argument is gobbledygook.
Or, rather, I don't have a clear idea of what your argument is because you do not write clearly and precisely.
Maybe the problem is that you do not think things through very well, but then attempt to write in a deep and dramatic way that is meant to be deep and inspiring.
Sorry, it's not working.
quote:
That's laughable. And, I'm still right.
You know what is laughable?
Look, when you evade questions, everyone can see it.
When you back away from arguments but refuse to admit your error, everyone can see it.
When you run away, everyone can see it.
I admit to doing all of these things at one time or another, but you have made it into an art form, because you do it so often.
This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-14-2006 10:44 PM

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