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joshua221 
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Message 5 of 32 (278287)
01-11-2006 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
01-11-2006 8:11 AM


lol
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He went on to chastize those of us who objected to this statement by saying that "thesee are the complaints of the rich man".
I wouldn't call it chastisement but whatever.
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Since many kinds of science lead directly towards alleviating poverty, suffering, and starvation, how is it that you so blithely dismiss science as a worthless endeavor?
Science is not without good purpose, but I have realized that in the eyes of God, it is not as important as is truth. And this truth resides not inside of the studied physical world.
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Does your God want the starving and diseased to stay that way, or does he want scientists to help find solutions and cures?
Without God, people would know only of death and disease.
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Even though I asked several times, Prophex, for you to explain exactly how much money you think scientists' "large income" is, you still have not answered me. Why is that?
Step back for a moment and acknowledge those who are truly poor.
Your past statements made me say that because they were selfish, ignorant, and childish attempts to make it seem like a life of yours, crash's, and the majority of those in the Scientific community are filled with struggle and sacrifice. This is definately not the case, and in your ignorance of the world's population, you told me that I was the one in ignorance. Try not to think in terms of incomes for this situation.
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You seem to believe that the only "true" sacrifices are those made by the destitute.
"True" is rather subjective here, but I will say that sacrifices in life can be more important, or worthy of being called sacrifices. The discrepancy here lies in what me and you deem sacrifice.
From what I have learned about you, this is a sacrifice.
"Who should drive the car to work today?"
"I guess I should"
"Ok, it's fine, just part of the sacrifices that we (majority) scientists must make each day."
I was thinking more to the effect of life and death struggle with starvation, hunger, or disease. Now I have told you that science does help people, but the way you have discussed sacrifice, is totally wrong. Basically it boils down to two mindsets.
One is focused only on what has become known to them as sacrifice, and hard work.
The other maintains that these terms mean nothing to those who know life differently.
I will also recognize the objection to my blatant generalization there, but I do think that in this situation, there is a graduated majority.

I'm a Dboy

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joshua221 
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Message 9 of 32 (278323)
01-11-2006 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by nwr
01-11-2006 10:45 PM


Re: Meaning in life
No, thats me and a friend from a program i took over the summer at vassar college. I am the white kid. He is tan. My brother some say looks like me more, he is my twin, so you know the deal.
I agree with your post for the most part.
I changed my avatar, this is me and chris, Im in the blue shirt.
This message has been edited by prophex, 01-11-2006 10:53 PM

I'm a Dboy
I have the blue shirt on.

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joshua221 
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Message 10 of 32 (278324)
01-11-2006 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Nuggin
01-11-2006 10:11 PM


Re: lol
It was about earlier stuff that schraf was saying. I can't like it, because I forgot the thread, sorry.

I'm a Dboy

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joshua221 
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Message 13 of 32 (278555)
01-12-2006 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by nwr
01-11-2006 10:58 PM


Re: Meaning in life
NOOO I had the yellow shirt on.

I'm a Dboy
I have the blue shirt on.

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joshua221 
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Message 23 of 32 (278843)
01-13-2006 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by nator
01-13-2006 9:16 AM


Re: answer
It's a consistent thing with you schraf, when you don't get the answer you want, you ignore, and repeat questions.
This time, I'll do the ignoring, and you won't benefit any longer, or a have a chance at what I know.

I'm a Dboy
I have the blue shirt on.

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joshua221 
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Message 27 of 32 (279055)
01-14-2006 9:03 PM


Fact is...
Fact is, is that she thinks she has a hard life. She thinks she has sacrificed. She thinks that people of knowledge are not given this right out of wealthiness. She thinks she can tell me I am the one running. She thinks that my argument was lame.
That's laughable. And, I'm still right.

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 29 of 32 (279076)
01-14-2006 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by nator
01-14-2006 10:40 PM


Re: Fact is...
You missed it.
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You seem to believe that the only "true" sacrifices are those made by the destitute.
Wrong, but I can see through artificial complaints from the wealthy.
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Does that mean, by extension, that no one who is not destitute can be described as deserving of anything they have earned? Or can anyone who is not destitute be described as having worked hard?
No.
She thinks that people of knowledge are not given this right out of wealthiness.
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What?
Please work harder to express yourself more clearly and precisely.
You were given knowledge as a a product of being wealthy, and destiny. You seem to have had a disagreement with this statement.
This message has been edited by prophex, 01-14-2006 11:57 PM

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joshua221 
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Message 30 of 32 (279078)
01-14-2006 11:49 PM


EvC Forum: Another Test for Intelligent Design Proponents
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Show me statistics that show that the majority of scientists are not living well, and actually have to time to think about DNA extractions. I would bet you that the majority of scientists like what they do, and sacrifice nothing to earn a large income to study physis.
This was the original spark to start this whole issue.
Let's restart this, what is your problem with this?
This message has been edited by prophex, 01-14-2006 11:51 PM

  
joshua221 
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Message 32 of 32 (279083)
01-15-2006 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Phat
01-14-2006 11:56 PM


Re: Fact is...
Be right there, gots to download a plug in for mozilla.

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