Proofs of Evolution: A Mediocre Debate (Faith, robinrohan and their invitees)

Hm. Well, there is Arminianism and they aren't liberals either. They oppose Calvinism though.Conservative Bible-believing Christian is the larger category.Which reminds me, what did Tillich have to say?About everything of course.

I'm starting to get that you have something in mind for Calvinism that is a lot broader than Calvinism. Calvinism is usually defined, not quite fairly but so popularly that it's stuck, by five principles, known by the acronym TULIP:http://www.thecaveonline.com/APEH/calvinTULIP.htmlT-Total depravity.U-Unconditional electionL-Limited atonementI-Irresistible graceP-Perseverance of the saint 404 Error - Page Not Found | Desiring God This message has been edited by Faith, 01-13-2006 08:47 PM

He said that Christ is a symbol of the Godhead, which is real, but does not "exist."Well, I'm over-simplifying his ideas.

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We are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.--Matthew Arnold"It's a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."Our Nada, who art in Nada, Nada be thy name. Hail, Nothing, full of Nothing, Nothing is with thee.--Hemingway

This is vague. Are you a Baptist?

I'm in a Calvinist Baptist church. I wouldn't say "I'm a Baptist." I could just as easily be a Presbyterian.Well, I'll take that back. I think I'm pretty convinced of believer's baptism. So maybe I'm a Baptist. I like the Calvinist preaching in this church.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-13-2006 11:56 PM

Do you understand his ideas? Or "understand" them?

I "understand" them, Faith. I "know" what he means.What he means is that there is no God, but let's act like there is one, because it's good for the soul--and it helps the financing for the sabbaticals.That's what he means.

So even though you read through the whole thing, none of it was persuasive?

It confirmed me in my nihilism. But still, it was an interesting read.I have much more respect for Augustine than Tillich.

Makes sense to me. Glad to hear it. I was a believer when I read him so I imagine your take is different.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-14-2006 12:36 AM

Have you tried the Quakers?I have a friend who is ostensibly a Quaker.There's this thing called the "inner light."The only problem is, you can't talk at a Quaker gathering, and I know how you love to talk. On second thought, probably not a good idea for you. You'd drive all the Quakers crazy trying to debate some point, and telling them that they must first accept your "premises."

Probably the cackle would be the biggest impediment.

You are definitely not the Quaker type. Too much cackle.But I wanted to ask you a serious question: do you get much intellectual sort of talk from your Baptist folk?Because you are rather intellectual. I mean, in the same sense that I am.

Intellectual in a dilettantish sort of way in my case.No, I don't get much of that sort of talk. It does make the internet seductive.Sometimes I wish I'd just exhaust my interest in it, just run out of steam. You are right, I talk way too much.

No, that was a joke--as you know.But what I'm thinking is that this is how you get your intellectual need. Oddly enough, this is true for me as well.