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Author Topic:   Advice Needed: Circumcised vs Uncircumcised
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 15 of 101 (279461)
01-16-2006 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
01-16-2006 10:19 AM


the risks associated with lack of circumcision are so minimal as to be ridiculous. most of them are removed by the use of condoms in sex and the rest... especially the cleanliness one. i mean. it's only harder cause you have to pull the foreskin back to clean under it. and how hard exactly is it to get a little boy to play with his penis? btw. the urinary tract infection thing. it's an extension of the cleanliness issue. if foreign junk gets inside it can grow nasty stuff in your bladder. i've had a few. they're awful but very easily treated with antibiotics. very easily. they're even very easily treated and prevented by cranberry juice. amazing.
i'd recommend a watch of the penn and teller bullshit episode on the matter. it changed my mind. well that and some common sense. i say no to infant body modification of any sort. if the child grows up and wants to get his willy fiddled with then that's his business. but you shouldn't make the choice for him. there's court precedence for suit against doctors... maybe next they'll sue the parents.
remember. we evolved or were created exactly as we are because it's the most efficient option available. there's no reason to mess with what is.
he can always do it when he grows up. but you can never undo it.

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Message 16 of 101 (279462)
01-16-2006 1:31 PM
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01-16-2006 1:29 PM


Re: The chicks dig it factor.
yeah for real. aesthetics should not be a reason to get something done to an unconsenting individual. for real.

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Message 24 of 101 (279474)
01-16-2006 2:32 PM
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01-16-2006 2:18 PM


somehow that doesn't sound healthy. and it sounds more unhealthy than just a little smegma.

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Message 27 of 101 (279478)
01-16-2006 2:35 PM
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01-16-2006 2:29 PM


Re: Cleaning is the only issue, really.
yes and my uberboobs get more sweaty than tinytitties. that particular issue sounds like a problem than needs to be addressed. for most penises, the foreskin pulls back easily. this is how it's supposed to work. cause it pulls back on an erection (according to a friend of mine). if it doesn't do so, then i'd suggest medical attention.

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Message 40 of 101 (279508)
01-16-2006 3:33 PM
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01-16-2006 3:27 PM


Re: The info that pushed me off the fence
It is now known, that circumcised infants do not forget the pain during circumcision easily, as a correlation between circumcision and intensity of pain response during vaccination months later could be established. Studies indicate that mother-child bonding and breast feeding may be adversely affected by newborn circumcision. [19]
quoted from wiki the citation is here.
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A stressful, painful event such as circumcision affects feeding patterns. Infants feed less frequently and are less available for interaction after circumcision. Observed deterioration of breastfeeding after circumcision may potentially contribute to breast-feeding failure and changes in mother-infant interaction.
”Howard CR, Howard FM, Weitzman ML. Acetominophen Analgesia in Neonatal Circumcision: The Effect on Pain. Pediatrics, 1994; 93:641-646. [Full text]
”Dixon S. Snyder J. Holve R. Bromberger P. Behavioral effects of circumcision with and without anesthesia. J Dev Behav Peds 1984; 5: 246-250. [Full Text]
”Marshall RE, Porter FL, Rogers AG, et al. Circumcision: II effects upon mother-infant interaction. Early Hum Dev 1982; 7:367-374 [Full text]
and the pain vaccination stuff. Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Responses During Vaccination in Boys
Using data from one of our randomised trials, we investigated post-hoc whether male neonatal circumcision is associated with a greater pain response to routine vaccination at 4 or 6 months. Pain response during routine vaccination with diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) alone or DPT followed by Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate was scored blind. 42 boys received DPT and 18 also received HIB. After DPT, median visual analogue scores by an observer were higher in the circumcised group (40) vs 26 mm, p=0.02) After HIB, circumcised infants had higher behavior pain scores. (8 vs 6, p=0.01) and cried longer 53 vs 19 s, p=0.020. Thus neonatal circumcision may affect pain response several months after the event.
increased pain response is a symptom of memory.

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Message 91 of 101 (280074)
01-19-2006 5:52 PM
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01-19-2006 5:23 AM


Re: RAZD, brenna, and arach in one
i think the point really is that your discussion is off-topic since it has nothing to do with infant circumcision.

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Message 96 of 101 (280231)
01-20-2006 9:57 AM
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01-20-2006 5:59 AM


Re: And the preaching to the choir goes on...
Whoa whoa whoa... the SURE cons? You mean the potential risks right? There are risks in both. No one has yet provided stats on the risk of infammatory conditions and disease (and just plain discomfort) for those that are uncut vs the possible effects of a botched cut.
why does there have to be? it's a deviation from the natural. why would men grow foreskins if they were destructive and prevented procreation?

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