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Author Topic:   How old did the Garden of Eden appear on Day 7?
randman 
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Message 8 of 35 (279851)
01-18-2006 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by cavediver
08-30-2005 8:53 AM


Re: Reject apparent age?
Interesting question.....I'd have to agree with you at this point that it probably indicates apparent age.

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Message 23 of 35 (329997)
07-08-2006 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
08-25-2005 4:30 AM


the underlying assumptions
Well, first off, one theological view is that no death existed, period, in the soil of the Garden of Eden, and so that soil would be considerably different, if that is the case, than the soil we look at today.
a couple of questions:
1. Should we consider the soil in the garden to be the same as the soil on the rest of the earth?
2. What happened with the Fall when the soil changed, and death entered in? Did just the possibility of death enter in, and so corruption began, or did the program generating the reality we know of as the universe have death plugged into it as an active agent?
Imo, you cannot discuss your OP without answering the possibilities for the 2 questions above.

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Message 27 of 35 (330084)
07-09-2006 1:21 PM
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07-09-2006 12:30 PM


Re: the underlying assumptions
We've gone over this before, ad nauseum, but maybe you were not present?
Paul, who knew the Law better than you and I, and who spoke the language, states in his letter to the Corinthians (I Corinthians 15:21).
For since by man came death, by man also the resurrection of the dead.
So the view of an extremely learned Jewish scholar, a Pharissee of the Pharissees until he became a Christian, is that the book of Genesis indicates that Adam's sin brought death into the world.
Now, as I already alluded to, there are other theological views on the matter, and you are welcome to discuss them, but if we are going to discuss YEC views, certainly this is one of the primary beliefs and interpretations of how death came into the world for "Bible-believing Christians."
There are some Bible believers that think this could refer to man alone, but both groups accept the Fall.

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Message 29 of 35 (330098)
07-09-2006 2:35 PM
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07-09-2006 1:33 PM


Re: Life & Death
No. The text says by man came death. You'd have to read into it something else and twist it around if you want to make it mean something else, but then again, I suspect you know that.
But I also suspect you aren't interested in the truth anyway.

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