But is it any harder to imagine this pre-big bang universe in a state where time is not a law yet, over God existing for eternity in a state where time is not a law yet?
Yes, it is harder. God has magical powers and can do anything he wants. The universe is governed by physical laws that seem to lack any supernatural abilities (ie something from nothing, infinite dimensions).
I think the idea is that existing for eternity or appearing from nothing is something that seems to be impossible according to the laws of our universe, so a supernatural god with magical powers is needed to create it, but because the universe is limited to these laws does not mean the god has to be too.
The thing is, that when you get closer to singularity, the laws break down and anything is possible. Is it any harder to imagine a limitless god than our universe in a supernatural state?
I agree with you that if god can exist forever then the universe can exist forever and we cannot rule out an eternal universe based on that. I disagree that because the universe can exist forever then the existence of god is ruled out. Is his
need negated? Perhaps.
So saying "The universe did not come into being, it was always there, at no point was it not there" is an impossible statement, so we need a creator who "did not come into being, he was always there, at no point was he not there", and that seems perfectly reasonable?
Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with an infinite universe.
Didn’t we come up with scenario two because scenario one was impossible, but base scenario two off the exact same ideas?
well, personally, no.
I agree that the argument for god existing because the universe couldn’t exist forever is a bad argument. But, just because that argument is invalid does not mean that god doesn’t exist.
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