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crashfrog
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Message 5 of 40 (316917)
06-01-2006 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by iano
06-01-2006 7:50 PM


Re: I am not - therefore I don't think
Presupposing that "person" equates to parts of the brain has no basis other than in the minds (another thorny one) of a segment of the population.
Is a dead body a person? I mean, the only difference between a living person and a dead one, medically, is that the brain has ceased operation.
But according to what you imply, the death of the brain can't be taken as the end of the person. Shouldn't we rethink the whole idea of post-mortem organ donation according to your position? The whole idea of embalmment and burial, for that matter?

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crashfrog
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Message 7 of 40 (316928)
06-01-2006 8:43 PM
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06-01-2006 8:15 PM


Re: I am not - therefore I don't think
Can we agree that one part of the population has been dealt with in the above statement?
I guess I don't see how that's the case. Could you elaborate?
Another seqment, for example, Jehovahs Witnesses, might conclude this too - that the person is wrapped up in their organs
Sure. And we allow the kin of certain individuals, who are JW's, to dispose of the remains of those individuals according to their own conscience.
Why can't the same thing apply here? If all the kin and professionals agree that this person is dead, surely they can dispose of the remains according to their own conscience? Why should they be limited by the differing beliefs of others? We don't limit the JW's; we don't force them to surrender their dead for organ extraction, because we recognize that they have differing beliefs about the end of life.
I get that people disagree about what constitutes a person. I just don't see where, in your implication, there's a basis for dictating one side of that debate to everybody.

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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 40 (317051)
06-02-2006 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by iano
06-02-2006 10:26 AM


Re: I am not - therefore I don't think
I would take the view that organ donation is ethical only after the point of death. That is stone death.
The organs have to be alive to be donated, so it's not clear to me how you expect this to be a useful guide. By the time we could harvest organs according to your guidelines, they would be dead and useless.

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crashfrog
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Message 34 of 40 (318166)
06-05-2006 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by rgb
06-05-2006 10:29 PM


Re: Men are from Mars Hill
You're right, of course. It's all determined by the hats.

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