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John
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Message 38 of 51 (31872)
02-10-2003 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Satcomm
02-10-2003 10:47 AM


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In my opinion, embracing his fiction as fact is a proposterous notion and wishful thinking. Kinda like accepting Star Trek as our definite future.
Then don't think about Clark, think about cargo cults. These are a real world example of his SAI/God idea-- maybe not his idea at all, really.
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John
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Message 48 of 51 (31945)
02-11-2003 9:52 AM
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02-10-2003 11:36 AM


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So... I should think about cargo cults whose ideology is based on that particular science fiction, because they are real world organizations? That doesn't make sense.
Did you even look up cargo cult? They are not based on science-fiction of any kind, but they are real examples of the idea. Clark put a name to the idea that stuck. That's all.
Cargo cults are religions that arose, largely during WWII, when indigenous people saw planes and ships arrive and disperse goods. These planes and ships were associated with Gods and/or the activities of Gods and whole religions sprung up, complete with temples that look like landing strips complete with tower and mock radio equipment.
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John
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Message 51 of 51 (32328)
02-15-2003 11:51 AM
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02-11-2003 1:16 PM


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Most first-world countries would recognize technology for what it is.
Most first-world countries would recognize technology for what it is as long as that technology were close enough to our own that we could get some grasp upon it. But that is the rub. Suppose it were outside that conceptual framework. Consider: Imagine a technology which in no way resembles our technology and which violates much of what we think we know about the way the word works. I don't think we can imagine such a thing, thus claiming that we'd identify it as technology is a bit odd. In fact, when I try to imagine such technology what I come up with is something quite god-like.
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Not everyone, especially scientists, would accept it as "magic" or "divinity"; especially coming from an alien origin.
No. There would be dissent, but people as a whole would likely latch onto magic and divinity. Look at some of the UFO cults that have been floating around for some time now. Here we have groups of people constructing just this sort of SAI/god based religion and without any real evidence for the technology at all. Imagine what would happen if such evidence were to emerge.
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This is, of course, assuming that there is technology out there in the universe that is superior to our own.
Well, yes. It is speculation, after all. And there is no good evidence for ET technology, though given the size of the universe I'd place my bet for life on other planets. Some of them ought to have better stuff than do we.
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