Gorilla strength

now that i actullay thought about it the only chance a male lion would have with a 450lb gorilla is in an ambush, because in a head on fight the lion is a gonner

Hey bcw3 It depends on what kind of strength is involved. Both animals can stand and walk upright for a little while, so their legs are probably about the same in sustaining strength. The Bear might deliver a bit more force in a paw swipe than the Gorilla with a fist blow, but it is hard to say, given the ape's massive arms. The Stu Keck site said that there is no other animal as powerful as a Bear in their size range (Badgers and wolverines no doubt have greater strength/power in poportional/relative terms. Possibly Fossas and Promisians to.)Though even if the Bear is more powerful, it wont be by much! And knowing how the animals behave and interact with humans and other animals I'd say the Blackbear would run off from the Gorilla at the first bluff charge.Pandas, due to their massive forelimbs (hind limbs are lighter)might be a whole lot stronger in the upper body, but might not be so in the legs. Grizzlies have a more robust body build than the smaller black bear, and have a huge hump of muscle on their backs for extra strength/power. Bears like these would probably overpower a Gorilla in a wrestling match or hit harder, but Gorillas are still formidable, and are no wusses!

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

probably yes, unless they face one of those big tsaro lions.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

they tsaro lions would win just because they outweigh the gorilla by much

don't underestimate human strength. The world record for human bench press is right now about 1100 pounds, I am weight lifter myself and 1100 pounds is ridiculous. I think a gorilla trying to lift this amounts of weight would be crushed under it first time trying to lift it. Other animals don't have the body structures to lift this much amount. Also there are Karate masters such as Mas Oyama who is known to fight angry bulls and kill it bare handed. There are also stories of ancient greek olympians who are known to be so strong that they could keep a chariot from moving while a horse is trying to pull it. Im sure you have heard of mother who had her child crushed under a truck, and she lifted the truck off her child. Humans also have intelligence that makes us top of the food chain and also innate muscular ability to train and lift crazy amounts of weight. A human sword master trained to fight animals I think would have chance with any animal(ancient gladiators). Also with mere two thin sticks, we can kill animals much largers (bow and arrow LOL).examples of some of human lifts although not the best current records
Page Not Found - WannabeBig.comMas Oyama info
http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/oyama/

The examples you put forward are not representative of the average man, but exceptional people. That 1100 bench press is incredible! But even though it is possible for a human to out bench press a Gorilla, the Gorilla is still strong enough to mop tha floor with any human powerlifter. Both are of different body builds.I thought that Master Oyama was just another internet myth. I'm glad you posted something to confirm it Not only was Oyama abnormally strong (due to genetics and training) he also seemed to have been able to strike with a Karate Chop far greater than most othe, if not all Karate masters have been capable of. But he is not unique.A 7 feet 9 ich tall Angus Macaskill, the tallest "true" giant (gigantism by genetics, not by medical abnormalities) weighed 420 and was capable of lifting nearly 1 and 1/2 tons up to his chest and carrying two 300lb barrels with ease. See following website and links on it to more info:Angus MacAskill - WikipediaWomen can lift cars like that with a andrenaline rush potent enough to do so. But the limit might be ten times what an individual might be able to do, which is not much stronger than a 150 pound Chimpanzee (as RAZD showed on this thread earlier)Look this physics site up, and check it's article on the Incredible Hulk.http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/And this site has a few vids on animals and humans tussling. Against animals, humans are nuthin but weak upright wusses. WARNING: some are Graphic.http://videos.caught-on-video.com/search/vs/0.htmEdited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

"According to pit bull lore, they have been matched against virtually every other dog breed not to mention lions, tigers, and bears. More often than not the pit bull wins. Yes, this has a lot to do with the breed's strength and stamina but it's also because, at around 60 pounds, pit bulls are exactly the right size."wow that dont sound right, i cant picture a 60 pound pitbull beating 400 pound tiger...

And also, although I haven't seen reports of humans fighting tigers or gorillas bare handed, but what if someone like Mas Oyama who is known to kill angry bulls bare handed, or Mike Tyson during his prime without gloves manage to land a strike on the chin or spine of these animals, they would feel it, or possibly kill them. Mas Oyama can break layers of bricks like butter with his chops(I seen clips of it) and Mike Tyson supposely have almost thousand pound of pressure per punch during his prime. Of course these animals has alot higher chances of winning, but these above men are highly trained and have higher pinpoint accuracy with their fists than gorillas and it seems to me humans beating these animals are not impossible. What if they trained to fight against dumb animals using higher intelligences and wits, although morally, ethically, and most of all too dangerous (such as skinny brazillian jusitsu guy beating Bob Sapp, 350 pound roidhead in pride using submissions. Bob Sapp being an example of a gorilla). Then again nothing stopped Mas Oyama from fighting bulls. There are too many moral and ethical issues such as animal protection movements and such for true fighters to try out such feats. I have read an article years ago of some human males who are able to kill wolves barehanded, when he was backed into the corner and had no choice but to fight.Edited by jakethesnake6901, : No reason given.

I would also like to see someone like Angus Macaskill with training fight a Gorilla. With his strength and size, I think he would definitely have high chance of winning.

The website here is only quoting from "pitbull Lore" which is mostly mixed with fact and urban myth. Pitbulls have been pitted against other fighting dogs, such as the monstrous Tosa Inu, the Sumo dog of Japan (average 200 lbs!) and have come out on top. And on the video site I Posted last there is indeed a Pitbull fighting what is claimed to be a tiger and seems to have come out on top, but both animals seemed the same size and the tiger is said to have been feed very little to keep it weak. The size range for wild tigers is around 100-300 kilos (200-600 lbs), though there have been 800 pounders recorded, and the upper weight range is 900 lbs in the wilds of russia and asia for Siberians (one in a zoo weighed over half a ton). But I dont think that a Pitbull by it'self could take on such a massive and strong animal like that. It may beat other dog breeds, but the idea it takes on and defeats lions and tiger and grizzly bears that weigh a lot more and one on one is urban myth i'd reckon. But the site is right in that it's bested the biggest and baddest fighting breeds of dog, and is perfectly sized for a dog scrap.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Oyama could possibly give a Gorilla a run for the money, but tyson would have his head smashed by it. Gorillas, as stated earlier, have the strength of 8 strong men. That would be like facing a football lineman that is 2,440 lbs (305 lbs times 8) and 8 times stronger than an average lineman (strength equal with size). Given Oyama's fighting bulls skills, he could possibly win against a Gorilla with such super strength if he trained, but Tyson, no matter his 1000 lb punching power, is not going to knock out something as strong as a one-tonne football lineman. He'd get squashed by boxers far smaller (Butterbean, George Foreman, both of which probably hit a lot harder than ear hungry tyson)Now there are reports of humans overpowering lions and bears and tigers, but those fights where either embellished, involved tiny or weak, sickly animals, lied about, or involved men of abnormal strength (oyama, angus) and power combined with adrenaline (Ripley's believe it or not has such reports, inclding one about a Noble of (russia,?) killing a Bear with one punch)Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Angus could give a Gorilla or a Lion a run for it's money. He could probably knock a buffalo unconcious with a simple wallop. It would take numerous men to equal the brute strength and power of good ol' MacAskill.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

BTW: this video might be of interest to you. It is taken from "Man vs Beast" a show that dealt with physical contests between animals and men.In one contests, a 363 pound sumo faces off a 180 pound female Orangutan in a tug of war. Although the Sumo wrestler gave a good show (his weight advantage, low center of gravity, and meditation helped) the Orangutan pulled him into the mud, and seemed not even out of breath or exhausted after the "clash of the titans". If it was a big male orangutan (200 lbs) the sumo would have been pulled in a whole lot faster.VideosHub | Popular Internet VideosThis website says that Male Orangutans are estimated at ten times the strength of a human being.Masters of the Jungle, Orangutans, Borneo, Wildlife PhotographyEdited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

That was an interesting video, but that fat guy wasn't a good representative of a strong human. He does not have much muscle, he is just fat. Sumo wrestlers are considered a joke in world of mixed martial arts and in strong men contests. Mariusz Pudzianowski, 3 time world strongest man would of beaten that Orangutan. He is 300+ pounds and very little fat. Humans are in same category as Gorillas and Chimps under same family Hominidae. Which means we are part of the Great Apes. The reason us humans seems alot weaker than Gorillas and Chimps are because for hundreds of generations, we got used to secure living from the wild. However, humans have just as much muscle mass as chimps or more. We just have to bring that potential out. We just have to bring it out from training. Me myself are avid weight lifter, and mixed martial artist. I am close to 200 pounds with little fat, and also agile and fast. I personally think I can take out a single male chimp with my wits and fighting technique. I dont think it'd be that hard to outwit a chimp especially when Im used to sparring against smarter, more witty humans. Im not saying I would definitely win, Im saying I have good chance of winning.Mariusz Pudzianowski official site
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Gorilla does not have strength of 8 strong men. At least the strong men I know and seen. Maybe it is strong as 8 desk jockies who never worked out in their life. I can bench press close to 300 pounds, and many guys at my gym could do 500+. Does this mean a gorilla can bench press 4000pounds? There are several men in the wrold who can bench excess of 1000 pounds. Does this mean a gorilla can press 8000 pounds? The thick iron barbell starts to bend at about 500-600 pounds when pressing. Which means a gorilla can bend the gym barbell with his arms and make it into a pretzel without much effort. It would mean a gorilla is stronger than the terminator. I dont think so. There are over hundred muscles in human and gorilla body and gorilla has only certain type of them well developed. Mostly pulling muscles. Humans however have potential to have great pushing muscles, ie (punching) considering out body structure. Thats why a human punch could kill other humans, and other animals. A bare handed grown man's punch could shatter skulls. A gorilla cannot squat thousand pounds, yet many strongmen in the world could. And earlier post you said human wouldn't stand a chance against gorilla? Check his article out, its interesting. It supports my above idea.Human Vs Animal
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