Gorilla strength

I bet before Mas Oyama, people said a man can never kill a bull bare handed. I bet before guys like Gene Rycelak, people said a man can never bench press over 1000 pounds. I bet before the wright brothers people said humans can never fly. Mas Oyama wasn't naturally freakishly strong. He was considered average during his early life, he got the way he is through training. Nature gifted us with big brain and ability to learn, train and adopt. Humans can do almost anything in my opinion. I bet if people got paid millions of dollars to fight animals bare handed like in baseball, football or boxing, you'll start seeing a whole league of animal fighters. Animals are dumb, they are programmed to attack in single or only few manners. They can't learn to do a corkscrew blow which temporily stops the opponent's heart. They can't learn to do a back of the head karate chop that can remove eye balls from the socket. They can't learn to do a Muay Thai flying elbow which cracks coconuts and skulls. All animals have vital parts in their body which can be penetrated with little effort. Animals can't learn to study other animal's anatomy to be more effective predator, otherwise the nature would be unbalanced. Humans are the only exception from nature, and we can unbalance even the nature. Humans can adopt to anything, just as we adopted to live in any parts of the world such as antarctica where most animals can't live, and even go to space. Also check out my two above posts in case you missed it.Edited by jakethesnake6901, : No reason given.Edited by jakethesnake6901, : No reason given.Edited by jakethesnake6901, : No reason given.

I agree that animals are dumb (compared to us) but some guy did teach a chimp karate <--- things. I agree but from what I've read here a lot of people think otherwise. They see humans as just another animal and not something specially created.

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Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence.
Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
-System of a Down, "Science"

That Karate chimp is a joke. It does not know karate, it was just trained to mimic its master. It is not practical at all. That chimp doing Karate is like saying a Chimp that paints is same as DaVinci.

Is knowing karate something other than training to mimic your master? I thought the chimp looked pretty good at it.
It would be interestng to see that chimp get in a fight with another chimp...don'tcha think?Still though, for the sake of argument, the following quote is not totally accurate. one more thing. thats a little extremeThe chimp looked good at karate. If they taught one to paint and it looked good, I would type that a chimp could paint too but I still wouldn't be saying they were the same as DaVinci, I mean, come on! You have to admit that was a pretty shitty simile. Picasso, maybe....just kidding.

"I agree but from what I've read here a lot of people think otherwise. They see humans as just another animal and not something specially created."We may not be specially created but we have something that nature was not able to balance. I mean we got nuclear weapons that can destroy the entire planet. We can sap the very earth of its resources which we are doing already lol. There are 6 billion humans on earth and due to that, countless other species are now extinct. Hard to believe nature meant to create creatures that are possible to do above things. Maybe earth has a life cycle and creating smart animals like us is its way of ending that cycle LOL.

Actually, that Sumo wrestler has a whole lot more muscle than you think. Sumo Wrestlers work out with weights to build muscle mass and strength which lies underneath their blubber. The extra weight cushions their falls and makes their center of gravity low, making them the "unmoveable objects" of the wrestling world. There was a National Geographic television special on Japanese sumo Wrestlers, which had two Hawaiian born sumos of immense size and strength. One, named "Akebono" weighing nearly 500 lbs at the time, hurled a 400 pound sumo out of the ring like a rag doll. Another one, KOnishiki, weighed 600-625 lbs, depending on what he had for brekfast in the morning. I have in my collection a National Geographic that follows the same story and shows them bulking up on muscle and fat, and you can see how built they really are in the picture (The closest one in the pic seemed to not be so fat at the moment, and was seemingly in prime muscle shape)Now they may not be as strong as professional strongmen or powerlifters, and personally i think that Andre the Giant (WWF wrestler, 550 lbs, mostly muscle) would be among the strongest (Arnold Swartznegger said that Andre pick him up like he was curling a weight)But they are not wimps.Yes, humans have grown accumstomed to a secure life from the wild (though not all. There are numerous tribes of people in the world that live in the wild with dangerous animals.)But humans also have a majority of their strength in the lower body, the legs. Chimps and Orangutans have a majority of their strength in the upper body, incudilng their large arms (notice our legs are larger than our arms. Opposite for Chimps, Gorillas and Orangs)And even among humans, moderns are quite weak (Neanderthals and Homo erectus where far stronger)If someone like Andre the giant or the Great Khali (7 feet 3 inches tall, 420 lbs)went up against that orangutan, they would have no doubt done a whole lot better than the 363 lb sumo. But remember that the Orangutan in question was a female, not a male which would be stronger (and potentially larger)Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I provided a source in message 161 of this topic that showed so. No, but it is possible. Pshageti on this topic showed how Gorillas are built quite differently from humans. Gorillas can strike, rip pull and no doubt throw far more than a human, and swing in trees better, but not be able to lift and bench press like a Weightlifter or powerlifter as proficiently as a human. Hence, although a Goirlla would overpower the strongest human with ease, an aevrage human powerlifter could deadlift, bench press, and clean and jerk more weight than a Gorilla.The source i'm posting should explain more, but if it doesn;t work i'll help you get to it. Here it is:http://www.madsci.org/...rchives/jul2001/995155256.Zo.r.html

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I've got news for the Boxer in youre post: he wouldn;t even take a whitetail deer, as this video shows vividly (it was on "when animals attack" in america, but they subtitled the video in french!)UselessJunk.com

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

And as for punching, the following video seems to show that even a toy dog sized monkey can lay the smack down on even a big ol' soldier. Follow this link:http://videos.caught-on-video.com/.../Animals+Wildlife/3.htmAnd look for the video labeledUS Soldier gets Punched out by a Taliban Monkey. Not Gorilla, Monkey

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Yes I seen that post about gorillas, and frankly its half-assed. The person that posted it probably has no idea about muscles, or physics. And to bench press 4000-8000 pounds your bone must be strong as titanium, even pure iron of gorilla's arm bone width would bend (or snap if its steel)at that much weight. Primate lifting 4tons? get real.
The guys you post as human examples are retards, seriously, and those video clips you keeping showing are examples of retarded humans just like the rest of that webpage's clips. Also like I said in previous posts they have no real training what so ever. That hunter didn't even attempt to fight the deer(the guys I know woulda laid that deer flat. shatter its face), the sumo guy is not that strong, not have half strong as some of the world strongest men competitors. And as for "Akebono", like I said he is joke in the Mixed Martial Arts and Strong men world. Only thing he has is his weight. I seen clips of him fighting and he hasn't lasted even win once against people not even his half weight. See his mixed martial arts record at Akebono - Wikipedia
LOL.Edited by jakethesnake6901, : No reason given.Edited by jakethesnake6901, : No reason given.

ok once, against even bigger scrub...
he was still half his weight

Which post? The website I showed in message 161? Pshageti? The one that was written by a major scientist in one of my last posts?

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

The American Soldier had no real physical training? The point I am trying to make is that the average human being is nowhere near as strong as a Gorilla. True, Gorillas might not be able to bench 4000 lbs or 8000, and that some weightlifters and powerlifters might be able to outbench them, but the same strong guys would be ripped in half by the Gorilla. The post from the scientist I recently posted (in message 187) shows how this is possible (and the other site showing that Gorillas are 4-8 times as strong as a strong man would no doubt agree). And even the website about Akebono that you showed said that Akebono had incredible shoving power, showing that he was very stout. But saying he wasn't very strong by showing his less than desirable record against far smaller K1 fighters doesn;t prove he was weak. Just that he wasnt a good fighter. He should have lost a lot of his soggy midsection before partaking in that kind of fighting. Good for sumo, bad for k1.Some people have amazing strength (Angus Mcaskill, Paul Anderson, Andre the giant, Oyama)but the average human (175 lbs) is not going to best a Gorilla (400+ lbs)and No boxer, not even Butterbean, is going to hurt a Gorilla with punches. Gorillas fight using punches, and hit quite hard. It's natural for them to wallop (Orangutans fight each other using their closed fists). No Tyson or Foreman is gonna come close to that.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I'm going to discuss some of the things I've mentioned before. It's important to look at the facts. Let's avoid all the guessing.It's all science and mathematics, my friends. Let's just think about it logically. A gorilla is certainly strong, but primarily in movements that are natural to its adaptations. I like the GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORD'S 1985 edition estimate that a STRONG and healthy AVERAGE silverback gorilla could probably deadlift about 2 times that of the world's strongest man (if it were trained). The scientists used actual performance of chimpanzees in specific movements to estimate that an average highly trained (500 lb.) silverback gorilla might deadlift 1,800 lbs whereas the world's strongest men might deadlift 900 lbs. An average man might deadlift 200 lbs.No other research to date has been based on as much hard evidence. Even so, these estimates are very rough.Case in point: This evidence indicates that an average 500 lb. silverback gorilla MIGHT be 9 times stronger than an average man and 2 times stronger than the world's strongest man (but only in movements that it excels at).The estimates used by shows on the Discovery channel argue that silverback gorillas are 20 times stronger than average humans. These estimates are not valid because they are based on gorillas breaking bamboo. Why are the estimates invalid? The gorilla often bites the bamboo which makes it easier to break. Hence this is not a pure arm strength measurement! The Discovery channel pretends it is scientific estimate of the gorillas arm strength.These estimates are even more ridiculous because they assume that just because the gorilla is much stronger than humans in certain movements that this automatically transfers to a lot of other movements. In other words, Discovery took the bogus 20 times stronger figure and applied it to overhead lifts (which gorillas would suck at). This is just absurd and is very poor scientific thinking. The whole thing is ridiculous.A gorilla CANNOT lift 4,000 lbs. overhead. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. I say this with almost absolute certainty. A gorilla CANNOT lift 2,000 lbs. overhead. This isn't because a gorilla is weak. A gorilla would struggle to maintain balance if it tried to press a weight greater than its own bodyweight overhead. Its legs don't have the right balance of stabilizing muscles, its back is not erect enough, and its arms are too long. An overhead press would not even be a fair test of the gorilla's strength! The bench press would be easier for the gorilla, but the gorilla still has mechanical disadvantages (i.e. extremely long arms). I would be absolutely shocked if a gorilla could bench press anywhere near 2,000 lbs even with extensive training. (And yes, I'm assuming the gorilla cooperated.)If the strongest man on the planet can bench-press 700 lbs. (without support gear), a trained healthy male silverback gorilla may or may not be able to match that. I don't know. We just don't know the gorillas potential. So many factors make it difficult to guess. Physical strength is a very complex characteristic involving multiple factors (mass, neuroligical efficiency, tendon shape etc.).In conclusion, a gorilla is certainly much stronger than an average man in MOST movements, but possibly weaker than the world's strongest men in some movements. Humans are good at overhead lifts. World class power lifters are well designed for bench pressing. Gorillas might beat the strongest men in most upper body movements, but not all of them.These are the facts. Edited by psaghafi, : No reason given.

I think that it is scientifically valid to conclude that a healthy gorilla could seriously hurt even very large human beings. Overall the gorilla is certainly better designed for combat.It's the bogus strength estimates from the Discovery channel that are ridiculous.Gorillas have very thick bones, enormous trapezius muscles and powerful jaws. A gorilla could take a lot of head blows that would knockout large human boxers.