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Topic: Was the Hebrew God unique?
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 3 of 53 (331512)
07-13-2006 1:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by deerbreh
07-13-2006 12:51 PM
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whether it was a new thing for a people to present their God as omnicient and omnipotent as the Hebrews did with Yahweh. God Himself presented Himself to the Hebrews. It wasn't their idea.
When did this happen and was it a new thing? Or do all peoples consider their god to be omnicient and omnipotent? Only Islam has the same view of God.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 28 of 53 (332014)
07-15-2006 3:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 27 by deerbreh
07-15-2006 3:46 PM
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Re: On the Hebrew God and other gods.
"Abba" is Hebrew and Aramaic.
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Faith
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Message 30 of 53 (332028)
07-15-2006 4:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by jar
07-15-2006 4:02 PM
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Abba, Father
A Jewish correspondent of mine has sent me rabbinical commentaries with the word "Abba" in them so I've taken in to be a Hebrew word. I can ask him about it. But meanwhile, it is clearly an Aramaic word, and it is the word for addressing a father, not implying the baby talk "daddy."
Abba (?a) Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Abba, an Aramaic word (written ?a in Greek, and 'abba in Aramaic), is immediately followed by the Greek equivalent (?at??) with no explicit mention of it being a translation. The phrase Abba, Father is repeated in Romans 8:15 and Galatians 4:6. Language of Jesus - Wikipedia
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Abba, Father
Yeah, I'm an ignoramus about pop music. But I would have posted the information about the Aramaic anyway, only to somebody else who was questioning its meaning.
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Faith
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Re: Abba, Father
The phrase as it has come down to us is "Abba, FATHER" not "Abba, daddy" or "papa." That should say something about how they read it in the Greek even. Scholars I'm familiar with say the various nonGreek expressions of Jesus' that are preserved in the original are Aramaic.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Abba, Father
I KNOW Jesus didn't speak Greek. Sheesh. The point was that the Greek word didn't reflect a diminutive meaning to "Abba" and that is deducible from the fact that when fruther translated into languages from the Greek the diminutive was not used. Anyway, glad to be right by you about something for a change. Thanks. 
Please don't take the Abba discussion any further unless it can be tied back into the main topic.
Thanks --AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Request Edited by AdminPD, : Typo
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Faith
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Message 44 of 53 (332564)
07-17-2006 2:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 42 by Brian
07-17-2006 10:51 AM
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Greek was spoken by everybody
That's a good point about he conversation with Pilate, but it didn't require Jesus to use supernatural power. I jumped too soon to agree that Jesus didn't speak Greek. It's most likely that He did, simply because most Jews in that Hellenized world did, including of course the writers of the New Testament.
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Faith
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Message 50 of 53 (332604)
07-17-2006 4:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by ramoss
07-17-2006 3:59 PM
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Re: plot hole
Yes, Barabbas is a counterpoint to Jesus the Son of God. God arranges things so that such interesting comparisons show up in reality. The people chose the son of the father of lies over the Son of God.
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