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Hyroglyphx
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Message 86 of 108 (342462)
08-22-2006 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Dr Jack
08-22-2006 7:34 AM


Sounds about right
I mean back when I was a Christian I would get actively mocked if I stated what I believed; that has never, not even once, happened to me as an atheist. I get surprise, and questions, to be sure but never insults or mockery.
Yeah, that sounds accurate to my own situation, only in reverse. When I was an agnostic leaning towards atheism, nobody really seemed to care a whole lot, much less ridiculed over it. The moment I gave my life to Christ the tension was immediate between friends, family, or strangers that were aware of my conversion. That's just kind of the way it goes.

“It is in vain, O' man, that you seek within yourselves the cure for all your miseries. All your insight has led you to the knowledge that it is not in yourselves that you will discover the true and the good.” -Blaise Pascal

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 88 of 108 (342465)
08-22-2006 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Discreet Label
08-22-2006 11:20 AM


Re: Why not?
Currency never was supposed to contain any judeo christian refrences in the first place. It was pushed onto the currency as a political move to place America on a morale high ground over Russia. So that people like you could say, "look at those aetheistic godless wretches in Russia. At least we can be said to serve a higher purpose." How much do you even know about the history of currency?
I know that "In God We Trust" was issued some imte in the 1950's; '57 I believe. I don't know how much it had to do with secular Russia, especially when secular Russia could care less about the Christian heritage of America, except maybe to destroy it. Comrade Stalin told his people that he was going to destroy the notion of God. He succeeded for some time.
Who and could you refrence who is attempting to do these things, like actual court motions and or newspaper articles from a variety of resources? Not just a solitary resource but like 3 covering the same thing.
This is the main guy, Newdow, who claims that he did it on behalf of his daughters complaining about it. She happens to attend Calvary Chapel, Elk Grove. In other words, its a total lie. It offends him, not his daughter.
Michael Newdow - Wikipedia
Here's a debate between Newdow and Cliffe Knechtle
http://www.givemeananswer.org/main/frames/GDvideoframe.html
After him its been a snowball effect in many other states.
Accuracy in Media
That is where your wrong. One thing that you forget, while the founding father's were theistic they were not your kind of 'theistic'. They believed in the ability of man to govern themselves on their conscience and upbringing.
Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, just about all the rest were very much Christians. However, they each understood the importance of allowing people to believe as they would. This thinking came about from the effects of religious persecution in England.
If they were at all interested in your phoney balooney pants refrence that the Constituition was based on GOD's law or shaped by GOD's policies they would of instituted a theocracy with a damn priest council or something. Not a democratic repulic that would allow theologically unsound people 'aethists' to be present.
"The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded. We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government ” far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the commandments of God." -James Madison
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And nearly all the laws used day by day in America, not those political handbag guestures made by politicians to please the right, are derived from English Common Law! (You British people I really like the way you handled law)
Did I not say that the Constitution was loosely based off the Magna Carta? Uh, yeah I did. What you are failing to grasp is that all of these proclivities passed on from generation to generation derives from part Roman law and part Hebrew morality.

“It is in vain, O' man, that you seek within yourselves the cure for all your miseries. All your insight has led you to the knowledge that it is not in yourselves that you will discover the true and the good.” -Blaise Pascal

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