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Author Topic:   Can Genetic Loss Increase Diversity?
Parasomnium
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Message 4 of 23 (350438)
09-19-2006 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
09-19-2006 12:46 PM


Good job
At the demise of that thread, I was afraid my question to Faith would remain unanswered, so I am happy to see it mentioned here in your topic, Jazzns. Thanks for that.
I think your topic cuts right to the heart of one of the most stubborn misunderstandings of genetics among creationists: the idea that mutations only lead to the degradation of an originally perfect genome.
Apart from answering the question of your topic, I think it should also - and maybe even first - be established whether this idea of genetic loss is valid at all.

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Parasomnium
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Message 23 of 23 (350976)
09-21-2006 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
09-20-2006 10:30 PM


Re: Answer to Parasomnium
All we KNOW, actually KNOW, is that those traits were THERE in the population and their alleles were there.
Wrong. We don't KNOW that, you are just assuming that. You are doing exactly what you are accusing evolutionists of doing, i.e. making unwarranted assumptions. In the days that there were no bulldogs and no one had ever seen a dog with as short a muzzle as that of a bulldog, there was no way anyone could know that there existed an allele (or alleles) for such an appearance.
There are two reasons why this should be so. First, genetic science had not yet advanced to the level of today, meaning that no one knew even what an allele was, let alone that they knew whether a particular allele existed or not. Second, before there were bulldogs, the allele(s) for the form of its muzzle really did not exist, it's as simple as that.
You simply cannot know that such an allele has always existed, because it is impossible to know it, and because it hasn't. In your own words: "it's all assumption".
On the other hand, we do know that mutations occur, we can see them happening all the time, we can even make them happen, and we have a record of them happening throughout life's history. It is only a logical conclusion that they must play a role in how evolutionary history unfolds. True, in the end, the role of mutations is an assumption, born from logical inference, but it's testable assumption, and all tests to date have vindicated it.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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