Congress goes off the deep end

You know, I honestly didn't think that our government has lost their sense of reality so badly as to proceed with this. All I can say is "holy . . . fucking . . . shit". It's only in the prelimanary stages (having passed House approval), but the fact that they have even considered this is more than scary. I have lost, as of now, any respect I had left for the republicans in these federal offices. What the asinine Congress has done

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crap--the thought police must be coming soon--and you're just the first wave!
(just to piss off any illegal wiretappers--haha, you're fat, and ugly, and your mom slept with a dog!)does this show my contempt enough?

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something tells me you're much more like a traditional republican than the current social conservative infused bunch is.by traditional, I mean one that cares more about fiscal matters and while concerned on social issues, feels that the government shouldn't step in (such as with banning abortion). It may be a bit confused, but . . .(of course, the last conservative democrats were the dixiecrats, so it is possible to have a liberal republican, wierd as it may be).

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dead wrong. absolutely dead wrong. the first, utmost absoltuley important job of congress, the one that overrides every other thing is that congress is supposed to serve the people. not protect them. At least, not in the way you mean (the whole war protection part). I do not agree with any of those measures employed by our government as a means of "protecting us". why? only in the past have they actually given us back those liberties. But in every case the power of the government has been amplified. ANd how can we count on those today to resist the temptation of keeping that power.The funny thing with terrorism--there will always be terrorism. We're actually in the fourth wave. The first started, at least was partially responsible for, WWI. So the government has a perfect excuse for keeping these protective measures. And now, when I talk to my relatives in sweden, I am having my rights infringed upon. damn it, I don't want some government freak who only has to give justification after the wiretapping. How easy is it to hide the "proof" for an imminent attack with the "it's top secret, can't reveal". I do not trust the government as far as I can throw--and seeing as how large it is, I can't throw it at all.Besides, why should we have to get rid of warrants? Just so that this current president, who by the way wanted a stronger version of the house bill doesn't have to get "tangled" up with following the law? Answer me this--how does getting a warrant slow down the process? And if we are really fighting for the freedoms we hold most dear from the terrorists who want to bring us to our knees and implement sharia law, why are we fighting them by getting rid of our freedoms? I mean come on, they win everytime they knock down one more freedom of ours. The patriot act may as well be a defeat for us. This bill, should it get passed by the senate will be a defeat for us. You don't fight those who want to take away freedom by voluntarily taking away our own freedoms.If we are supposed to be the shining example of democracy and freedom in this world, we're doing a piss poor job of upholding that reputation.

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the way I udnerstood it, CS was just having some fun--using the stereotypical conservative arguments that defend bush.(note the intro, where he explicity states he doesn't agree with bush, but will give this a shot anyway)

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go ahead and start your new thread. this one is, technically, about congress going off the edge of the cliff with this piece of shit legislation. Related, I'll admit, but not quite right here. looking forward to it (the new thread, that is)

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