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Author Topic:   Expanding photons.
Silent H
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Message 10 of 30 (363028)
11-10-2006 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by cavediver
11-10-2006 5:03 AM


From the photon's own POV, there is no expanding space. It doesn't even move. The distance between the point of emission and point of absorption is zero
I'm interested in this statement being fleshed out more. Are you meaning because time would not seem to pass and so there is no motion, or that its behavior is "wormhole" like?
It seems intuitive to me that if space is expanding that would have to mean something for photon, some change in how it behaves.
In fact that raises a question in my mind of if there are any possible (intriguing) consequences for speed of light being fixed in a universe that is expanding (or accelerating)?
I know these are more dumb questions... but that's why I need to ask them.

holmes
"What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." (D.Bros)

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Silent H
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Message 15 of 30 (363052)
11-10-2006 11:55 AM
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11-10-2006 7:26 AM


more like the "folding space" concept introduced in Lynch's verson of Dune.
I can't remember lynch's dune very well. For a geek reference how about "event horizon" with the analogy to folding a piece of paper so one point in space touches another and then space is folded back to the flat sheet (with the photon now at the other point)?

holmes
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Silent H
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Message 16 of 30 (363055)
11-10-2006 12:02 PM
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11-10-2006 8:22 AM


Re: Light and 4D spacetime.
Actually that was pretty helpful, particularly with posit's question.
Is there an easy explanation of how they came up with 1 sec = 300,000,000? You mentioned something about Foucault's method, but isn't it more or less just making time equivalent to distance via the velocity of light? What would be the effect of changing the ratio arbitrarily to something else (perhaps speed of sound in air to deliver a "sound cone")?

holmes
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