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jar
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Message 175 of 223 (372846)
12-29-2006 8:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 174 by Kader
12-29-2006 8:03 PM

Re: On Maps
You disagree that cultural conditionment (or any kind) is not the factor for your belief.
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No, that is NOT what I said. What I have said is that my beliefs are not solely the result of conditioning. I have said that to claim that all beliefs is just conditioning is overly simplistic.
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Please.
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I don't fit in small boxes.
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But what then how can you explain the belief in God without any scientific evidence ?
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How can we get to believe in God in the first place with no scientifical evidence ?
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The existence or non-existence of something that by definition is supernatural is not subject to scientific inquiry. It is just one of those questions where science is irrelevant.
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jar
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Message 177 of 223 (372853)
12-29-2006 9:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 176 by Kader
12-29-2006 9:10 PM

Re: On Maps
Science isn't irrelevent. For example supernatural event can still be recorded by science.
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Of course science is irrelevant to the supernatural. If science can explain it it is not supernatural.
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Religion, God, beliefs in an afterlife can be reasoned. They could be wishful thinking, they could be simply a hope.
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But that is NOT conditioning.
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jar
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Message 179 of 223 (372870)
12-29-2006 10:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 178 by Kader
12-29-2006 10:02 PM

Re: On Maps
Yet im talking about people that believe, not people that hope or wish.
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What is your point? I believe in an afterlife. I also acknowledge that I may well be wrong.
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Just for a moment lets talk about christian that knows that there is life after death or the one that think the bible is the word of God.
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No one can KNOW that there is life after death.
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What does the phrase "word of God" mean?
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Message 184 of 223 (372896)
12-29-2006 11:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 182 by Kader
12-29-2006 11:33 PM

Re: On Maps
Well I know quite a lot of people that think they know. They act like they know, and preach like they know.
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Yes they do.
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However, exactly how can someone "Know" there is an afterlife until they have died?
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I have no problem with folk believing in an afterlife, in fact I do, but I cannot "Know". It cannot be verified and if I am going to be honest, at least with myself, I must admit I might well be wrong.
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As for the word of God. That means the bible is divinly inspired and cannot be wrong (there is also people believing that you know.)
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Yes, there are also folk that hold that position. Yet even you have pointed out places where the Bible is verifiably wrong. Actually there are many, many, many such places.
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If I am going to be honest, at least with myself, I must admit those errors that are verifiably wrong.
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The Bible can still be divinely inspired even with errors. If the purpose of the Bible is to teach folk how to best live their lives, to provide a view of how a peoples saw their heritage, to provide explanations that worked within the framework of the era, culture and peoples who wrote it, then it can be inspired even if not factually true.
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A good example is the multiple creation myths included in Genesis. While they are factually wrong, they do illustrate two aspects of GOD, the transcendent overarching God of Genesis 1 and the personal, hands on, companion God of Genesis 2. It also explained other facets of their culture, why we work six days and take a day off for rest, why we fear snakes, why childbirth seems harder for humans than other animals, why we must work and farm instead of simply grazing like other critters.
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These and others could well be inspired messages.
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Message 213 of 223 (376063)
01-10-2007 10:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 212 by ringo
01-10-2007 10:50 PM

How to program
Empty the self completely;
Embrace perfect peace.
The world will rise and move;
Watch it return to rest.
All the flourishing things
Will return to their source.
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This return is peaceful;
It is the flow of nature,
An eternal decay and renewal.
Accepting this brings enlightenment,
Ignoring this brings misery.
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Who accepts nature's flow becomes all-cherishing;
Being all-cherishing he becomes impartial;
Being impartial he becomes magnanimous;
Being magnanimous he becomes natural;
Being natural he becomes one with the Way;
Being one with the Way he becomes immortal:
Though his body will decay, the Way will not.
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To gain knowledge it is first necessary to throw away what you know.
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Human Programming begins with emptying the source.
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jar
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Message 216 of 223 (376068)
01-10-2007 10:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 214 by Rob
01-10-2007 10:56 PM

Re: How to program
Matthew 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
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Sounds like Jesus is claiming to be knowledge incarnate!
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Please show us where knowledge is mentioned in Matthew 10:39?
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jar
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Message 221 of 223 (376080)
01-10-2007 11:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 219 by Rob
01-10-2007 11:08 PM

Re: How to deprogram
Jesus is saying the same thing and with an added austere twist.
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Matthew 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
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Anyone can see that, and only a fool would deny it.
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I mean, maybe Jesus was crazy! But his words couldn't have been clearer. I would expect a Christian to know that.
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You know I read it again, word by word and still can't find the word knowledge in there.
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