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Topic: Is Science a Religion?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 197 of 313 (382367)
02-04-2007 1:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 195 by Rob
02-04-2007 1:17 PM
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Rob loses again.
And you have a high degree of faith in that answer? You said the word. Get a Duck. You lose.
You are ignoring the body of evidence... "The depravity of man, is at once... the most emperically verifiable reality. yet at the same time, is the most intellectually resisted fact!" (Malcomb Muggeridge) Sorry, just jabberwocky and more off topic nonsense. Totally irrelevant to the topic as well as being inane. You still have failed to post anything on topic, relevant, important, worth considering or even with a point.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 201 of 313 (382374)
02-04-2007 1:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 198 by Rob
02-04-2007 1:28 PM
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Re: [[[[[[[[[[[ emperically verifiable ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Yawn. Irrelevant to the topic Rob. Just more nonsense and jabberwocky. In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Is Science a Religion?" Do you ever plan on posting anything that is on topic, relevant, important, worth considering, with a point or even simply interesting?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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can't use the Bible to check Theology.
As with any theory, theology has at least to show internal consistancy; it must be checked against reality and or the Bible. You can not say that a Theology can be checked against the Bible. That tells us absolutely nothing about the theology's worth or validity, only about how closely it corresponds to the Bible, but that only tells you if it is a Biblical Theology or not.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: can't use the Bible to check Theology.
Which is why I said and/or the Bible...of course the implication is not that a theology - Bible must be less consistant, but that a theology should not oppose any texts which it might consider vital to understanding it. But again, that does not apply to a "Theology" but only some small subset of theologies, those that are Biblically based. In addition it tells us nothing about the validity of the theology, but only how it corresponds to the Bible. What you are suggesting is measuring something against a standard which does not exist. There is not even one standard Bible, not even one standard list of books to be included in something called a "Bible". As a matter of fact, the ONLY books common to ALL Biblical Canons are the first five books. None of the New Testament books are common to ALL Canons. This is yet another reason that Science is not a Religion. In Science it is possible to have Standards which ALL scientists can agree upon. There is a Standard Meter for example. Religion has no Standards which can be used to evaluate or verify its validity.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: can't use the Bible to check Theology.
Sorry. A standard that cannot be verified is not a standard.
The problem is, the standard itself can not be validated without a working theology, but is a 'conclusion' which the theology is tested against. What you have there is simply a circular reference. The theology is validated against the Bible which can only be validated against a theology. Sorry but it just doesn't work.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Quit making stuff up
Many members of this site have claimed that science cannot be a religion because it has no rules. Please link to the message where that claim was made.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Do you believe in science?
Do you people "Believe" the scientists over the religious leaders? Again, what does that have to do with anything? I certainly believe Scientists and most Religious Leaders over any Biblical Literalist or Biblical Creationist. We KNOW that the Biblical Creationists are wrong, wrong about Science, wrong about Theology and totally wrong about Christianity.
Is science your belief and your religion? No.
Has anyone here actually read the papers written by Einstein? Many of them.
Can anyone here claim that they know all the proofs for Evolution? All? No. Enough to hold Evolution as FACT and the Theory of Evolution as the very best explanation to date for what was seen? Yes. By the way. Your tactic is what is known as the Gish Gallop. Basically it is one of the dishonest tactics of the Biblical Creationists. It is to not address responses and to keep throwing out more and more nonsense points in a hope that the opponents will be too busy to show how ALL of the points are just bullshit.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Quit making stuff up
"Science is not a religion, as others here have said, because it does not concern itself with matters of faith, of morality, of purpose." Please point out where that precludes rules?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Do you believe in science?
I did address your points. And I have many reasons to consider science to be a religion. On a side note, the main part of my post you seem to have missed. If you "BELIEVE" the scientists, then you have just subscribed to a "RELIGION". LOL Bullshit. You really can't read. My religion is Christian. In fact it is Episcopalian. What I said is "I certainly believe Scientists and most Religious Leaders over any Biblical Literalist or Biblical Creationist." I trust Science because Science, unlike Religion, has a Code of Ethics.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 303 of 313 (383103)
02-06-2007 10:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 301 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:11 PM
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And the Gish Gallop continues.
Why is it that morals came to the world after the religions did? Morality, like all knowledge, is a learned behavior. There is NO evidence that morals came after the religions. Try to stick to the topic.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 305 of 313 (383106)
02-06-2007 10:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 302 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:18 PM
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Galloping off.
You may have morals; but where do they come from? Have you ever read Hitler's book. He believed that all of the modern morals were all brought to this world through religion (namely the Jews). He executed as many Jews as he could to eliminate morality from the world. He did not believe that it was wrong to kill because he did not believe in any religion. How would you argue with Hitler? You may have morals; but where do they come from? Have you ever read Hitler's book. He believed that all of the modern morals were all brought to this world through religion (namely the Jews). He executed as many Jews as he could to eliminate morality from the world. He did not believe that it was wrong to kill because he did not believe in any religion. How would you argue with Hitler?
Actually, not true. Hitler said that the Final Solution was a Christian effort.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 306 of 313 (383107)
02-06-2007 10:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 304 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:21 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
I am not off topic. Science holds with certain morals. Morals are purely the invention of religion. A proof to this is the fact that religions came to the world before morals. Did I jump off topic at all? That is simply too funny. The actual facts are that Science does have a Code of Ethics where it is obvious Biblical Creationists don't.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 311 of 313 (383114)
02-06-2007 10:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 309 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:30 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
To work in Science you must abide by a Code of Ethics. If you breach the standard you are sanctioned, often kicked out of the profession. On the other hand, Clergy, Pastors, Preachers and particularly Televangelists are free to lie all they want and the profession never sanctions them. They are allowed to continue teaching lies like the Bible is literally true or that there was Special Creation or that there was a flood with impunity.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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