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nator
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Message 122 of 134 (383632)
02-08-2007 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by anastasia
02-08-2007 12:23 AM


Remember, it is you who seems to have chosen the supernatural "explanation" and rejected the naturalistic one WRT the origins of moral behavior.
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Unless you can prove that there is no God, no creator of nature, there is no conflict.
I agree that there is no way to prove a negative.
However, what do you expect us to say when you ask for ways that morality could exost without God, are presented with multiple scientific explanations, but you just reject them because you find them "unsatisfying".
I mean, come on. Obviously you think there is a conflict, otherwise you wouldn't have turned your back on the evidence because you didn't like how it made you feel.
Again, I suggest that you read up on Cognitive Psychology as it pertains to morality and emotion. Much of the evidence you reject is produced in that field.
And "making stuff up" and deciding to accept it as truth is not a good way to do that.
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Making stuff up and deciding to investigate whether it could be true, is exactly what scientists do.
Absolutely not true.
Scientists observe phenomena. Then they attempt organize that observational data in a coherent way in order to explain why the data appears as it does. Then those explanations are tested to see if they hold up.
At no time do scientists "make stuff up" in the same way that religious folks "make stuff up".
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I am not a fundamentalist, remember. There are many, many ways to incorporate spirituality into one's life. I have chosen to do that, and I will continue to do so.
Nobody's expecting you to stop doing that.
However, if you ask a question regarding a natural phenomena and refuse to accept the naturalistic explanations because you simply don't like how they make you feel, you are behaving just like fundamentalists do.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2201 days)
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 125 of 134 (383817)
02-09-2007 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by anastasia
02-08-2007 10:04 PM


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Science is facts, and the fact is, that our minds should not take refuge in facts unless they cohere with our reality.
Er. Aren't "facts" reality?
I think that you might be confusing "reality" with your perception of reality.
The scientific method allows us to look beyond such individual preferences and reach closer to the truth that our own perceptions, inevitably fraught with bias and wishful thinking and error, will ever allow us.
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The only thing to do is to see if the answer matches the evidence.
So, let's agree for the sake of argument that God gave us our morals.
How has this increased our understanding of human morality?

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