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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I like Clinton over John any day.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Reporters, the people who actually go after and write the news, are generally liberal-leaning.
Their editors and the owners of the publications they write for are generally conservative. All mainstream media owners, in general, are much more concerned with making money than in journalistic integrity.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, if I were to inform you that since the Bush administration came into power, the majority of guests on the mainstream news media's Sunday morning political talk shows have been conservative, would you say that this is "comfortably in the middle"?
source In every year examined by the study -- 1997 - 2005 -- more panels tilted right (a greater number of Republicans/conservatives than Democrats/progressives) than tilted left. In some years, there were two, three, or even four times as many righttitled panels as left-tilted panels. Congressional opponents of the Iraq war were largely absent from the Sunday shows, particularly during the period just before the war began. And anyway, subbie, you KNOW that just because conservatives complain about something doesn't mean that there is any basis whatsoever for that complaint. I mean, just watch FOX News and you will see that this is the case. 'Explanations like "God won't be tested by scientific studies" but local yokels can figure it out just by staying aware of what's going on have no rational basis whatsoever.' -Percy "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."- Richard Feynman "Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"- Ned Flanders
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: There are several reasons. One reason is that many of the "big time" mainstream political reporters have, in recent years, becoome far too cozy with the powerful and wealthy Washington establishment. They are invited to the parties, the dinners, and other events and hob-nob with the very people they are supposed to be investigating and helping to keep on the straight and narrow. Another reason is, during the current Bush regime, journalists who wanted any access to the White House or who wanted to get called on at all during press conferences learned very quickly to not EVER ask any difficult or probing questions.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, I guess what you're saying is that, no matter what evidence is put forward, to you, there's no possible way that bias in the media can ever be detected. Is that correct? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Aren't conservatives into the free market, though? Aren't the conservatives the ones who decided to keep reducing the amount of time that the networks were required to provide children's educational programming? Weren't the conservatives the ones who fight for deregulation all the time? Dude, can't you see that all of this conservative "protest" about the sex (and it's generally ONLY the sex. I don't hear about conservatives complaining about TV violence much) is just a smokescreen? It's just a way to make liberals and Hollywood look immoral and make them the degenerate enemy? Conservatives HAVE to be watching a TON of the TV they say they despise, otherwise the shows wouldn't do very well. The difference between conservatives and progressives WRT this issue is this: Progressive: "I don't like those TV shows, so I won't watch them." Conservative: "I don't like those TV shows so nobody should be able to watch them, Likewise, because I am incapable of turning the TV off, it's everybody else's fault that I or my children watch them." Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, you agree that this is evidence of bias in the media?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, when Clinton was in office, there were more Democrats on the shows. How is this not bias towards Democrats in the media? And now that Bush is in office, with also a Republican congress, there were more Republicans on the shows. How is this not bias towards Republicans in the media. also, what about the fact that anti-Iraq invasion politicians, pundits, or journalists were pretty much absent from ANY of the shows on during the run up to the war? Is it "balanced? TV journalism to have ignored the people against the invasion(and there were more than a few)?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Er, because just because one party or the other is in power doesn't mean that theirs is the only arty that exists. You were talking about balance in journalism before, weren't you? What is "balanced" about allowing the people in power a greater platform? If the media wasn't biased, we should see no change in the political inclinations in panelists on those Sunday talk shows depending upon which party was perceived to be in power, shouldn't we?
quote: There was plenty of opposition from journalists and political activist groups in the run up to the war. There were enormous domestic and international protest rallies that were largely ignored by the press. Even major newspapers like the New York Times (IIRC) later admitted that they shirked their journalistic duty by simply taking too much of the administration's claims as truth without really investigating them. Perhaps you don't "recollect" them becasue the mainstream US and conservative media didn't report the events and and didn't invite the objectors on their shows. Becasue they were biased in favor of this administration and the war. That this happened is pretty much common knowledge these days, subbie.
quote: I am simply addressing your claim that it all "balances out in the end". It doesn't.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What I'm asserting is that the "liberal media" crap that the conservatives insist is the case is a myth.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Let's not forget how Newt Gingrich's dodgy marital history. (He's rumored to be considering a run this year) Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Nope. The American Journalist | Pew Research Center
When it came to the subject of party affiliation, 36% of the journalists said they were Democrats in 2002 compared with 44% in 1992. (That’s the lowest percentage of self-proclaimed Democrats since 1971.) The percentage of Independents dropped slightly from 1992 to 2002 and the ranks of Republicans grew incrementally from 16% to 18%. (There was actually a notable bump in the percentage journalists who named another political affiliation or declined to answer the question in 2002) By comparison, the public’s party affiliation is evenly divided with 32% characterizing themselves as Democrats and Independents and 31% saying they belonged in the Republican ranks. quote: The only problem with that theory is that the majority of these journalists' editors are conservative. Same with the owners of the publications they work for. The editors control what leads get followed, what facts are included, and certainly what stories will run in the first place.
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