hush that fuss, everybody move to the back of the bus

I agree. My question is just how holy are these men if seeing a woman's leg will turn them into rapists?But then again, I speak as a living version of star trek vulcan, so perhaps normal men can't really control themselves whenever they see a woman's hair or leg...

I have six words for you. That's what the wife is for.On a different note, I guess the vulcans never discovered masturbation...

Continuing our little conversation the other night, wouldn't it be better if they don't get the sexual impulse at all?But on the other hand, I also sort of don't think I agree with you on this. Just about every major current living religion has a long history of sexual suppression. If you look specifically at the measures these religions have taken, they look like the measures were taken out of the assumption that men cannot control their sexual urges. Muslim women are required to cover themselves from head to toe (the ones that do anyway) because supposedly the assumption seems to be that men cannot control themselves therefore instead of taking measures to teach the men how to control themselves they just cover up the women.Middle ages christians also had a similar attitude. It was always the women seducing the men...I can't speak for these men we are talking about, but it seems like it's more than a conscious choice they make about their control, or the lack thereof, over their sexual impulses.And no, I don't think the gun example is sufficient enough. A lot of people do things at gunpoint they would otherwise never do.

You misunderstood me. That's not what I was suggesting at all. I gave my comment in the context of what we were discussing, specifically about me. I agree completely. But remember that these "holy men" believe themselves that they would be unable to control their urges and turn into rapists if they see a woman's leg or hair. While I cannot possibly hope to change what they think but to engage in a debate with them, I do hope that we as a society, or rather they as a society, can find some ways to impose as preventive measures.One of these ways I hinted at was they be willing to change their doctrine that says something like "men absolutely cannot control their urges..." and educate the men on how to react differently if (god forbids) they ever see a woman's leg.