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Author Topic:   Should the Public Airwaves be More or Less Censored?
riVeRraT
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Message 91 of 310 (393668)
04-06-2007 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by subbie
04-06-2007 8:57 AM


Re: No to Censorship
The First Amendment gives you the right to offend people.
Any questions?
It’s Against the Law
It is a violation of federal law to air obscene programming at any time. It is also a violation of federal law to air indecent programming or profane language during certain hours. Congress has given the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) the responsibility for administratively enforcing these laws. The FCC may revoke a station license, impose a monetary forfeiture, or issue a warning if a station airs obscene, indecent, or profane material.
Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times
Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and cannot be broadcast at any time. The Supreme Court has established that, to be obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test:
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An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
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The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and
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The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html
Any questions?

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subbie
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Message 92 of 310 (393669)
04-06-2007 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by riVeRraT
04-06-2007 10:18 AM


Re: No to Censorship
One question, been asked repeatedly in one form or another, but I'll give it a go anyway.
Can you not see that there's a difference between obscenity and being offensive?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Dan Carroll
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Message 93 of 310 (393671)
04-06-2007 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by riVeRraT
04-06-2007 10:16 AM


Re: No to Censorship
Well this just about sums up what I am talking about. It is the epitome of poor taste and unnecessary speech.
Gosh, if it's so unnecessary, why was it the only thing in my post to which you responded?
I'm gonna go ahead and guess the reason is, "I don't have an answer for anything else, but want to keep my moral indignation. It's fun."

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
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ringo
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Message 94 of 310 (393691)
04-06-2007 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by riVeRraT
04-06-2007 10:09 AM


Re: No to Censorship
riVeRraT writes:
But I stand on my God-given right to be offensive.
So go walk up to your local police and curse him out.
That happens in almost every traffic stop. Do you seriously believe I don't have the right to call a cop a "pig"? Do you seriously want the police to have the power to arrest people who don't tug their forelock and say "yassa, yassa"?
Edited by Ringo, : Spellin'.

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jar
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Message 95 of 310 (393692)
04-06-2007 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by riVeRraT
04-06-2007 10:09 AM


Re: No to Censorship
The only speech that NEEDS to be protected is that which offends.
The only speech worth protecting is that which offends.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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DrJones*
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Message 96 of 310 (393719)
04-06-2007 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ringo
04-06-2007 4:00 AM


Re: No to Censorship
whoops that was supposed to be to rat and not you. I need to avoid posting when I'm sleepy.

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
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nator
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Message 97 of 310 (393771)
04-06-2007 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by riVeRraT
04-06-2007 10:18 AM


Re: No to Censorship
If it is illegal to offend people, why isn't Ann Coulter in jail?

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riVeRraT
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Message 98 of 310 (393805)
04-07-2007 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by jar
04-06-2007 12:39 PM


Re: No to Censorship
The only speech that NEEDS to be protected is that which offends.
The only speech worth protecting is that which offends.
I know everyone else here thinks I don't get that, but I do.
Good point jar.

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nator
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Message 99 of 310 (393899)
04-08-2007 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by riVeRraT
04-07-2007 9:41 AM


Re: No to Censorship
quote:
I know everyone else here thinks I don't get that, but I do.
Maybe you get it now, but you sure didn't before.
Otherwise, you wouldn't have thought is was illegal to offend others.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 100 of 310 (394147)
04-09-2007 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by nator
04-08-2007 10:13 AM


Re: No to Censorship
Maybe you get it now, but you sure didn't before.
Otherwise, you wouldn't have thought is was illegal to offend others.
EVC forum, the only place on earth where people will debate with you, even when you agree.
Being obscene is offensive.
Being offensive, can also turn into harrasment. These are the things I am talking about, but as usual, the point of my discussions always seem to drift away into obilivion. I am even wrong because I mis-spell words, that makes my point wrong. It's like a long running joke.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 101 of 310 (394155)
04-09-2007 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by riVeRraT
04-09-2007 9:00 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Being obscene is offensive.
And the core of your stunning levels of wrongability in this thread is the fact that although obscenity is offensive, offending you does not make something obscene. Throw on the fact that obscenity has a specific legal standing, which you clearly don't get, having cited a fifty-year-dead test as if it was used today, and your justifications for censorship become incredibly, amazingly wrong.
Being offensive, can also turn into harrasment.
The TV's harrassing you?
Has the toaster been laughing at you?
These are the things I am talking about, but as usual, the point of my discussions always seem to drift away into obilivion.
Your original point, if I'm not mistaken, was that the content-censoring authority of the FCC is what should let you keep Desperate Housewives from airing ads during basketball games.
I've been asking you why the FCC should be allowed to censor content for... wow, seven pages now. You still haven't answered. So screw it, if you don't want to stick to the point, let's make fun of your spelling.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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kuresu
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Message 102 of 310 (394157)
04-09-2007 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by riVeRraT
04-09-2007 9:00 PM


Re: No to Censorship
trouble is, RR, that not everything offensive is obscene.
that test you mentioned is for obscenity. not offensiveness.

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nator
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Message 103 of 310 (394175)
04-09-2007 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by kuresu
04-09-2007 9:29 PM


Re: No to Censorship
This is just another instance of the rat's inability to admit that he was mistaken about something.
In this case, he tries to cover it up by implying that he's really understood that offensive speech is protected all along.
Of coourse, he's hoping we all forget that he repeatedly claimed that offending people is illegal...

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Max Power
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Message 104 of 310 (394184)
04-10-2007 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by riVeRraT
04-09-2007 9:00 PM


Re: No to Censorship
riVeRraT writes:
Sorry brenna, freedom of speech doen't give you the right to offend people.
Message 60
riVeRraT writes:
All I said was that freedom of speech does not give you the right to offend people.
Message 75
riVeRraT writes:
Irrelavent reply. It is not legal to offend people, if you can't deal with that, then poo on you.
Message 78
Jar writes:
The only speech that NEEDS to be protected is that which offends.
The only speech worth protecting is that which offends.
Message 95
riVeRraT in response to Jar writes:
I know everyone else here thinks I don't get that, but I do.
Message 98

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 105 of 310 (394205)
04-10-2007 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by riVeRraT
04-09-2007 9:00 PM


this is why, rat.
Rat, you may think that everyone is piling on here and being unneccessarily harsh with you.
In this thread, you have repeatedly claimed one thing (offending people is illegal), and everybody has told you over and over that you are wrong (offensive speech is exactly what is protected).
Now, you imply that what you have been claiming is actually the opposite to what you really know; that offensive speech is protected. You then give some kind of garbled response to my post conflating "obscene" with "offensive", even though you know perfectly well that "obscene" has a specific legal definition that is different from "offensive".
The reason we are shoving all of this in your face is because you do this all the time.
In fact, just about every discussion with you becomes an exercise in repeating to you what you claimed when you deny you ever said it, and you twisting and contorting in order to not have to admit that you were really wrong about something.
THAT is why your threads are not focused. YOU keep going off on tangents to avoid admitting you've made an error.
I don't know if you are doing it consciously, but that is what you are doing, nonetheless.

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