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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 40 (40123)
05-14-2003 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by DC85
05-14-2003 2:05 PM


if it turns out to be what you think is the truth thats fine but don't be a follower think for yourself and Take known facts into Acount
It seems that the best a lot of people (of any creed) can do in terms of thinking for themselves is determining who to follow. For some reason they reject the idea of coming up with new ideas themselves. Although it is quite a lot of work; much more so than seppting into line with somebody else's dogma.

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crashfrog
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Message 6 of 40 (40130)
05-14-2003 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Spud
05-14-2003 6:40 PM


I just take a step back and look at the big picture and realise.
I did. Came to a different conclusion. Sorry.
I'm glad faith is fine with you but I never felt anything like what you described. Faith never sat well with me because my church kept saying I could "know" god through faith. How anyone could know something though a process that means "not knowing" I could never figure out.

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crashfrog
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Message 8 of 40 (40143)
05-14-2003 8:04 PM
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05-14-2003 7:18 PM


I believe the Bible is the Word of God and to this day I have seen no true facts proving anything in the Bible to be false.
I think the thing is, there's differing degrees of truth. Is the bible an accurate historical narrative? Not really. Does it have to be?
Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet doesn't have to be a literal account to express a truth about lovers and society. That it rings true in a lot of ways is a testament to Shakespeare as a writer. Picasso called art "a lie that tells us the truth". Couldn't the bible be the same thing?
I would point to a great deal of language in the bible (certain "mystic" numbers, repetition of phrases, etc) that, in other contemporary literature, is used in situations where the story may not be true, but the moral is. (For instance, fairy tales.)
Even today we use that language. If I tell you what my dad calls a "no-sh*t story", typified by the introductory token "Now, this is no sh*t!" you know that the story is of course, sh*t - a total fabrication. Nonetheless these stories are told to impart truths.
The bible has a lot of things wrong on the face of it. Four-legged insects. A canopy over the earth like a tent. Striped reeds causing spotted sheep. I don't think that calls into question the lessons of the bible no more than it would when Jesus teaches the parable of the Good Samaritan, even though the story he tells probably didn't actually happen.
Things can be mythically true, in that sense. The bible joins a lot of other great literature in using lies to tell us the truth.

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crashfrog
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Message 15 of 40 (40261)
05-15-2003 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Paul
05-15-2003 1:23 PM


Why does the question of human origins have anything to do with the purpose of life? This is an apparent fallacy that I see from a lot of creationists.
I just don't see what they have to do with each other.
Anyway, how could life exist without death? It's tautological that a thing could not exist without the potential abscence of that thing.

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crashfrog
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Message 23 of 40 (40331)
05-15-2003 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by truthlover
05-15-2003 9:24 PM


Re: Why Do I Believe
I heard a voice inside say, "I just baptized you with the Holy Spirit."
I guess if god was speaking to me, too, I'd find it a lot easier to believe in him/her. But the voices in my head have never spoken with anything but my own voice.
So, that's why I don't believe.

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 40 (40520)
05-17-2003 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by John
05-17-2003 11:12 AM


On the other hand, they don't have video games. I guess I'll keep my 9-to-5. No offence.

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crashfrog
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Message 39 of 40 (40592)
05-18-2003 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by nator
05-18-2003 9:03 AM


Yes, but I'll bet they get an awful lot more nookie than people in Western cultures.
Speak for yourself.
Stands to reason, of course - there's nothing else to do, but... um, you know.

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