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THE ELECT: DID GOD CHOOSE YOU TO SPEND ETERNTIY WITHOUT HIM?

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crashfrog
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05-14-2003 7:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 5 by Rrhain
05-14-2003 7:02 PM

Let n be how funny that is now. Let n' how funny it was to begin with. Let k be the number of times you've posted that on the board. Therefore:
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n = n' * 1/2^k
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That should give you some idea about how funny that joke is now.
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crashfrog
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05-15-2003 12:59 AM 		Reply to: Message 7 by Rrhain
05-14-2003 10:50 PM

Maybe something a little shorter and less arrogant, then. Like "That's Pascal's Wager, and it's stupid." Or something.
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Yeah, I don't have to read it. Just thought you might like to know if you're coming off like a ya-hoo. My mistake, I guess.
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05-19-2003 5:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Rrhain
05-19-2003 5:07 PM

By way of partially making up for being a sour-ass, I thought I'd point out that the bit where it says "an after-life-time supply" always cracks me up. That's a funny turn of phrase.
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05-20-2003 5:20 AM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Philip
05-20-2003 3:29 AM

Re: Election
Jestings, backbitings, maliciousness, debates, hate, blasphemies, frolicking, womanizing, whoremonging, porno, terrorizing, intimidators of believers, abusers of ourselves, lust-stricken, filthy, etc. etc.
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I don't see that these are all sins. Certainly, some of these are in poor taste or are outright infringing on another persons rights, but personally I don't believe that there is anything inherently bad about jesting, debates, blasphemy, frolicking, pornography, "self-abuse" (masturbation, I assume?), or being particularly lusty.
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If they're not wrong, why should I be concerned that a god might judge me for them? Or why should I be expected to pay penance for them? And is "death" really the appropriate penance for a sin like, I dunno, gluttony? (Why aren't rape or murder so-called "deadly sins"?)
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I find the sin thing inconsistent at best and at worst, a guilt trip for very natural behaviors.
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If I face my Maker with say good works, that could never pay for a single sin nor make me righteous and holy.
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Why not? Why can't a big donation to the poor or homeless pay for a peek at your dad's Playboys?
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What a damnable lie for me to believe God would save me for heroically giving my life for my friends, despite it being Christ-like.
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Well, with the callous, unjust god some people appear to worship, I can believe this. The question is, would a good and just god ignore a self-sacrifice?
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I just find the moral calculus you're using questionable. Why so harsh on yourself? Why can't good deeds cancel out bad ones? I think, in this life anyway, good works can redeem for bad deeds. I'd feel cheated if everyone who accepted Jesus went to the same afterlife, no matter their earthly deeds. After all, who's to say that Hitler hadn't accepted Jesus as his savior? Wasn't he Lutheran?
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