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IrishRockhound
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Message 13 of 31 (42005)
06-03-2003 11:15 AM


As if the theory of evolution doesn't explain already how Bach arose from a bachteria...
Sorry I just couldn't resist that one.
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The argument that infinitely complex intelligence came about by itself, unguided by any intelligence, can only be deemed convincing by those who have a vested interest (intellectual, emotional, psychological) in atheism.
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...But no intellectually honest atheist should deny the great challenge to atheism -- the existence of design and intelligence.
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Nevertheless, I believe that any objective person would have to conclude that the belief that everything came about by itself and that randomness is the creator is infinitely less intellectually sound than the belief in a Creator/Designer.
Why, oh why, do people insist on believing that it's all random? It's not. As soon as abiogenesis happens evolution takes over, and it is not in any way random - it looks specifically for the best survival traits and nothing less. Given sufficient information about an organism and the environmental pressures acting on it, I think it might be possible one day to predict evolutionary paths.
As for intelligence... if anyone here claims that it's not the ULTIMATE survival trait, I'll be over in the corner laughing my ass off.
The Rock Hound

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IrishRockhound
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Message 15 of 31 (42013)
06-03-2003 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by NosyNed
06-03-2003 11:27 AM


Re: Survival traits
I'd better elaborate here.
Intelligence is an excellent survival trait for higher life forms. Evolution normally takes a long time to produce significant changes in any species - organisms alter to suit their environments, but at a very slow rate. Intelligence operates like evolution, but at a phenomenally faster rate - humans can adapt to their environments, or even alter them to suit themselves, in a matter of months or years rather than the millions of years evolution requires. So, let's call it ultimate adaptability rather than the ultimate survival trait.
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We haven't proved that our level of intelligence (which is what Bach would be referring to) is a very good long term survival strategy. If we make our first million years, you win the bet.
Hmm. Good point. At least we know it's successful in the short term. Anyway, if the human race destroys itself in the next million years, you can bet I'll still be laughing my ass off somewhere on the astral plane or whatever. I'm easily amused.
The Rock Hound

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