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Converting raw energy into biological energy

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Message 164 of 314 (419635)
09-03-2007 10:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 162 by Rob
09-03-2007 10:29 PM

Re: Seti and Code: Important.
Tell that to the people funding SETI...
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Too funny. That is exactly how they test signals. To be considered other than natural there must be no way that it could be natural. If there is a natural explanation then it cannot be considered indication of intelligence.
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The rest of your post is simply more nonsense.
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Message 167 of 314 (419638)
09-03-2007 10:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 163 by Doddy
09-03-2007 10:37 PM

Re: a la Behe
Too funny. On one hand they say evaporation and condensation cannot move significant amounts of water and on the other hand they postulate an imaginary flood that totally transforms the Earth.
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Too Frickin Funny!
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And do you think any of this could be tied into the topic of this thread?
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Message 171 of 314 (419643)
09-03-2007 11:29 PM 		Reply to: Message 170 by Rob
09-03-2007 11:15 PM

Re: Seti and Code: Important.
What exactly is your problem Rob?
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If there is a possible natural explanation for the signal then it cannot be considered as the product of intelligence.
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I said
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Too funny. That is exactly how they test signals. To be considered other than natural there must be no way that it could be natural. If there is a natural explanation then it cannot be considered indication of intelligence.
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and
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It would have to be a code that could not be explained by any natural process. Even then, it would only be accepted as possibly sent by intelligence.
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Sorry but those two statements seem consistent.
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If there is a possible natural explanation then that is what is accepted.
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If there is "NO possible natural cause" then it can be classified as "possibly the result of intelligence."
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Possibly.
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If we cannot explain a signal through natural causes then it goes in the "Unknown cause" folder, not into the "Intelligent caused folder."
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To move towards the Intelligent caused folder you would need additional confirmation. For example, a continuing conversation would help but still not be conclusive.
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That is how knowledge and science work Rob.
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Your incredulity is simply nothing but incredulity.
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And it still has nothing to do with the thread or the topic which, in case you missed it, is "Converting raw energy into biological energy".
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Message 175 of 314 (419648)
09-04-2007 12:25 AM 		Reply to: Message 174 by Rob
09-04-2007 12:23 AM

Re: Seti and Code: Important.
What is there to argue about?
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If there is a possible natural explanation then that is what is accepted.
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If there is "NO possible natural cause" then it can be classified as "possibly the result of intelligence."
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Possibly.
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If we cannot explain a signal through natural causes then it goes in the "Unknown cause" folder, not into the "Intelligent caused folder."
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To move towards the Intelligent caused folder you would need additional confirmation. For example, a continuing conversation would help but still not be conclusive.
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That is how knowledge and science work Rob.
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Your incredulity is simply nothing but incredulity.
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And it still has nothing to do with the thread or the topic which, in case you missed it, is "Converting raw energy into biological energy".
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Message 232 of 314 (420011)
09-05-2007 10:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 228 by Rob
09-05-2007 9:38 PM

On how it is done.
Sheesh Rob.
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Did you even read Message 157, Message 164 or Message 171?
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The issues pointed out in those messages are applicable in this as well.
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If there is a natural method that explains what is seen, then that is accepted. Otherwise it goes into the unknown folder.
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Message 244 of 314 (420024)
09-05-2007 10:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 243 by molbiogirl
09-05-2007 10:32 PM

looking at 3.5 to 3.8 Billion years ago.
I found this while wandering and can't remember if it was shown as one of the links yet.
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The geological record of life 3500 MA ago: Coping with the rigors of a young earth during late accretion
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It shows that we can trace life back at least to the period of late heavy bombardment.
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Message 260 of 314 (420042)
09-05-2007 11:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 259 by kuresu
09-05-2007 11:50 PM

Re: metaphysical...
He also has been shown that those quotes were pulled out of context and misapplied.
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09-06-2007 12:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 261 by Rob
09-06-2007 12:11 AM

Re: metaphysical...
I did explain it Rob in Message 157, Message 163 and Message 171.
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Metaphysics and Supernatural are irrelevant, unimportant and have NOTHING to do with the topic.
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If there are natural explanations we go with them. If we have no explanation it goes into the unknown folder.
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Asserting that God or the Designer did it carries exactly the same information content as saying that pink faeries did it.
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No I do not believe in either abiogenesis or chemical evolution. The evidence is absolute that abiogenesis happened. That is not a belief but a conclusion. The question is "How abiogenesis happened" and pink faeries or the designer are not relevant.
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Message 268 of 314 (420052)
09-06-2007 12:33 AM 		Reply to: Message 266 by Rob
09-06-2007 12:27 AM

Re: metaphysical...
Natural explanations of what jar? What evidence do you have of abiogenesis that can be explaned naturally since before you can explain it, you must show it!
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Did you read what I posted? Abiogenesis is a conclusion. We see life. We see a period before that when there is no sign of life.
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The conclusion is "Life happened."
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Message 273 of 314 (420058)
09-06-2007 12:43 AM 		Reply to: Message 271 by Rob
09-06-2007 12:39 AM

Re: metaphysical...
How can you presuppose that there is no intelligent design?
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As pointed out to you in Message 157, Message 164, Message 171 and several other times in this thread alone.
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If there are natural methods that will work, they are considered as possible. If no natural methods are found then it goes into the "Unknown folder" until we do find them. Your "designer did it" carries no more informational content than saying "pink faeries did it".
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Message 305 of 314 (420558)
09-08-2007 12:44 PM

natural methods have been presented
Possible natural methods to produce the steps involved in converting "raw energy into biological energy."
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Remaining questions need to be placed in the "Unknown folder".
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The case is closed.
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