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Tal
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Message 23 of 35 (422714)
09-18-2007 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
09-17-2007 5:14 PM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
As stated above, IRR time does not count as military time.
Alright let me clarify. This is a confusing topic, even for veterans.
. When you sign up for four years, you are actually obligated, by contractual agreement, to serve eight
You are tracking there.
But you get no money or no benefits while in the IRR, nor does that remaining four year time accrue towards retirement should you decide to come back.
This is also on the money.
As stated above, IRR time does not count as military time. Its only there as a contractual agreement, in the event
Oh yes it counts for time in service. Let's say you did 4 years active duty then 4 years in the IRR. You are then called up to serve on active duty. You will get paid for having 8 years time in service. I know this because I'm in this boat. I have 8 years Active Federal Service, but I get paid for 10 years Time in Service. When I hit 9 years AFS..I will get paid for 12 years TIS. But since I did those 3 years in the IRR, I can't retire until I have 23 years TIS which would put me at 20 years AFS.
You can actually stay in and retire out of the IRR.
NJ is correct about just being alive and in the IRR you fulfill the rest of your obligation. So his last orders transfering him to the IRR is the key document needed to satisfy service requirement.

If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred.

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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 24 of 35 (422717)
09-18-2007 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by crashfrog
09-17-2007 9:16 PM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
His pay records show that he was 8 months short; his retirement papers corroborate that. Bush did not serve the full term of his commitment in either Active or Inactive reserve status.
Correct. He was discharged and transferred to the IRR. This stops your pay. But by being in the IRR that did fulfill his commitment (see above post).
Tal's attempt to cloud the issue with a lack of AWOL papers on Bush is irrelevant;
It's the most relevant post to this entire issue. If you are going to claim someone was AWOL, as CBS did, then you have to use the definition of AWOL to make your case. Being a Deserter (which follows after being AWOL for 30 days) is a felony. That's a big deal. Thus there is an entire regulation (AR 630-10) that governs the steps necessary to declare someone AWOL/Deserter.
This issue really isn't about Bush being AWOL, but about him meeting his service obligation. It is proven that he did when he was moved to the IRR.

If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred.

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 30 of 35 (422970)
09-19-2007 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Hyroglyphx
09-18-2007 8:43 PM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
As in, DFAS back pays you for the years prior to re-activation
No.
Or are you saying that your "time in service" will reflect the years you were on IRR status? As in, you are an E-5 with four years, you got out and was in the IRR for three years. When they call you back, you will be an E-5 with 7 year pay, as opposed to an E-5 with four years pay?
Yes.
How can you not drill, and essentially do nothing for Uncle Sam any longer, and retire with benefits? I'm not understanding that portion.
You can call the Reserve Component Human Resources Command (or Navy equivalent). They offer Reserve TDY assignements to many locations dependant upon MOS. These assignments are anywhere from 2 months to a year in duration. Once you are done you go back in IRR status and can shop for another one. I have a friend back in Louisiana that doesn't have a day job. He just goes TDY to various locations a couple of times a year. You acrued days of active duty is the same as what regular Reservists use to retire on.

If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred.

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 32 of 35 (423192)
09-20-2007 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by crashfrog
09-18-2007 2:10 AM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
That chart is super. It still shows he met his obligations because he was discharged. I was discharged 3 months early from my 3 years of active duty. I was able to get out early beause I had 60 days leave saved up and wanted to start college the next semester. College drops are common and usually take 6 months "off" your contract. You are still honorably discharged. You still go into the IRR to finish your service. It happens all the time. On the other end of that spectrum stop loss happens all the time, which places you on active duty longer than your contract. Neither a stop loss nor an early discharge are breaches of contract.
As to the AWOL not being AWOL, the definition of not fulfilling your commitment is the DEFINITION of AWOL. The military can either extend you or let you go early. Either way, once you are discharged your active duty obligations are complete and you go on IRR status.

If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred.

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