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crashfrog
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Message 14 of 35 (422495)
09-17-2007 1:16 PM


Tal, in the other thread:
Inactive Reserve time counts. For instance: When I first joined the Army in 96 I signed a 3 year contract to serve in the Infantry. In the Army, you sign on to serve 8 years, nomatter what your active duty contract says. When you finish your active duty obligation you are discharged and placed into the Inactive Reserve component. In my case, I could be called back to Active Duty at anytime in the next 5 years. I went back to Active Duty 3 years later. My time in service was then 6 years, even though 3 had been spent off active duty. So for pay purposes I was paid for having 6 years time in service instead of 3. The down side to that is I have to serve 23 years to retire, or 20 years Active Federal Service.
The problem with this as a rebuttal is that we were talking about the payroll report, which means we were talking in terms of pay purposes; so even including Inactive Reserve service, Bush only met 5 years and 4 months of his 6 year committment.
Yes, Inactive Reserve service counts. Even including that, Bush failed to meet his commitment by 8 months. You still haven't supported your claim that Bush met his service committment. The fact that desertion papers were never filed against the son of a war hero and Senator, and future President of the United States, is irrelevant. They should have been filed, but they were not because of the political influence of the Bush family.

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crashfrog
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Message 17 of 35 (422634)
09-17-2007 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
09-17-2007 5:14 PM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
I don't see how Bush could not have met his contractual agreement simply because he was alive.
When he asked to move to Harvard, still 8 months shy of his service commitment, he signed an affidavit that he would report to the Mass. National Guard.
He never did. A month later he asked for a discharge, still 8 months shy of meeting his commitment, and it was granted. Where it should have specified the length of service on his discharge form, it instead said "indefinite", even though he actually had committed to a definite amount of time.
He was discharged 8 months shy of meeting his 6 year commitment. Tal's attempt to cloud the issue with a lack of AWOL papers on Bush is irrelevant; it was his family's influence that got him the discharge in the first place so why would AWOL papers have been filed? He was discharged. He wasn't in the National Guard any more, inactive or not.
His pay records show that he was 8 months short; his retirement papers corroborate that. Bush did not serve the full term of his commitment in either Active or Inactive reserve status.
This isn't that hard to follow, people.

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 35 (422719)
09-18-2007 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Tal
09-18-2007 1:56 AM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
But by being in the IRR that did fulfill his commitment (see above post)
No, he was discharged from inactive status 8 months early. He never met his commitment; at least, there's absolutely no paperwork that shows that he did.
If you are going to claim someone was AWOL, as CBS did, then you have to use the definition of AWOL to make your case.
Neither I nor CBS ever claimed that Bush was moved to AWOL status, so the lack of those documents disproves something that was never asserted had occurred.
Regardless, Bush was 8 months short of his service commitment. That's proven by his payroll record, his retirement credit record, and his faulty discharge papers, and that's simply the last word on the subject. There's absolutely no evidence that Bush met his service commitment in Inactive status or by any other means.
This issue really isn't about Bush being AWOL, but about him meeting his service obligation. It is proven that he did when he was moved to the IRR.
You have yet to present any evidence that Bush met his obligation under IRR or any other status.

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crashfrog
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Message 26 of 35 (422722)
09-18-2007 2:10 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Tal
09-18-2007 1:46 AM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
So his last orders transfering him to the IRR is the key document needed to satisfy service requirement.
Look, Tal, maybe a diagram will make it make sense to you.
See the brown bit at the end? That's the part he skipped out on - the 8 months between his discharge and the end of his agreed commitment.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Changed overwide graphic to a thumbnail.

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crashfrog
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Message 34 of 35 (423229)
09-20-2007 12:03 PM
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09-20-2007 6:32 AM


Re: Tal, in the other thread:
It still shows he met his obligations because he was discharged.
Except that his discharge papers have false information, so he was discharged improperly.
You're really digging, Tal, and you're not making any sense. He failed to meet his obligations. That his family influence was enough to get people not to complain about it is irrelevant, setting aside the fact that many of his commanders did complain about it.
He didn't meet his obligations. Can you explain why, after signing a legally-binding pledge to report to a duty station in Mass. he failed to ever do so?

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