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Author Topic:   A review of "There is a God" by Antony Flew
bluegenes
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Message 11 of 50 (435560)
11-21-2007 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
11-21-2007 1:50 PM


GDR writes:
In 2004 the atheist world was rocked by the news of one of the most important defections from its ranks in recent times.
Rocked, were we? Very dramatic language, GDR. I was indifferent.
Edited by bluegenes, : Forgot to put text in - the A. Flew syndrome, perhaps.

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Message 13 of 50 (435564)
11-21-2007 4:03 PM
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11-21-2007 3:10 PM


crashfrog writes:
Nobody had ever even heard of Flew until his last supposed "conversion",...
I certainly knew next to nothing about him until this conversion stuff started. This world's best known atheist stuff is publicity blurb for the book. In fact, I suspect that he gained more notoriety for some controversial political views than he did fame for any of his philosophical views.

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Message 15 of 50 (435570)
11-21-2007 4:08 PM
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11-21-2007 4:03 PM


Re: Oh, and by the way...
GDR quoting O.P. writes:
He offers three main reasons for his defection
Odd to start noticing those things at age 80, don't you think? A philosopher? They are certainly not new and original points.

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Message 21 of 50 (435579)
11-21-2007 5:54 PM
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11-21-2007 5:01 PM


Re: To repeat an earlier point....
GDR writes:
I can't see how you can consider this line of thought irrational. These observations certainly lead to questions about the basis of our existance, which may or may not lead peole to believe in a creative intelligence, but the conclusion that Flew comes to certainly appears rational.
Observations leading to questions are one thing, baseless conclusions are another. But what's interesting in relation to Flew is that this is old stuff. He could have (indeed must have) considered these points long before he reached the age of 80. I considered them decades ago.
So think about it. What changed? Has he grown more brain cells as he got older, with which to consider these points? Or maybe.....not.

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