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Author Topic:   The impossibility of infinite ability..aka "god"
nwr
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Message 4 of 94 (449928)
01-19-2008 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by TheNaturalist
01-19-2008 1:24 PM


I don't think that works
I seem to remember part of a song from long ago
"If an irresistable force meets an immovable object,
something's gotta give, something's gotta give, something's gotta give."
Here is the problem. Force, distance, acceleration - these are all part of our world. If God is outside our world, there is no reason he would be affected by them at all.

Let's end the political smears

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Message 10 of 94 (449950)
01-19-2008 11:07 PM
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01-19-2008 10:53 PM


Don't say either: 1. "god is outside our universe". Then, he wouldnt be able to do anything in our universe. Obviously. He'd have to go in it, if only temporarily, to pull any strings.
Or, 2. "god built these rules, so he's outside it anyway". That is just a foolish cop-out low-intellects take, not realizing the foolishness of it, to explain the supernatural. It makes no sense at all.
I write a computer program that emulates a world. I run that program on my computer. The emulated world runs in accordance with some laws that relate to force and other concepts within that emulated universe. There is even some randomness injected into the emulated universe. It turns out that life evolves in the emulated universe.
As the programmer and operator of the computer, I am god with respect to that universe. However, I am not god in our own universe.
With respect to the emulated universe, I can change things by modifying data in the current state database. Or I can also modify a few lines of code. I am not in any way bound by the laws in that emulated universe, because I can get around them by changing what is stored in the current state database.
Now what was that you said about impossibility?

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Message 78 of 94 (450591)
01-22-2008 6:38 PM
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01-22-2008 6:20 PM


OHHHHHHHHH wait a second; people on here ARE saying repeatedly that 2+2 doesnt have to equal 4.

Addition table Multiplication table
0 1 2 0 1 2
----------- -----------
0| 0 1 2 0| 0 0 0
1| 1 2 0 1| 0 1 2
2| 2 0 1 2| 0 2 1

Those are the addition and multiplication tables for mod 3 arithmetic, which is much respected by mathematicians. As you can see, 2+2=1.
The people who argue that God is omnipotent are quite clear that God is still logical, and that omnipotence does not imply any ability to violate principles of logic. By using "2+2=4" as a test of omnipotence, you are merely giving a strawman argument.

Let's end the political smears

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Message 83 of 94 (450598)
01-22-2008 6:57 PM
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01-22-2008 6:52 PM


what can be used to even verify how "god" makes sense, little lone exists?
Who is little lone? Is that big lone's younger sister?
Or did you mean "let alone"?

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