Syamsu's Objection to Natural Selection...

There must have been some selection at work, otherwise it would be 'Debbie does Denver'.

However there were many examples of reproduction..or at least the act of it...and one could argue there was sexual selection

A better argument for sexual selection would be in "Deep Throat", IMO.

I wish I'd never selected 'Debbie does Nganjuk.'

I can just anticipate Symansu's response now...
"nudity has nothing to do with pornography...take nudity out of porn as in the standard definition, and then you don't have a crisis in the clothing industry"...and in support of his definition...look..Debbie is actually wearing clothes.

Debbie Does Dallas? Deep Throat? Next you'll be mentioning Behind the Green Door, The Devil in Miss Jones, I Am Curious (yellow), Hair and Oh, Calcutta. Just how old *are* you guys? Or do you just love the classics?--Percy

I'm afraid I shall have to make some further
observation before I can comment on this ...

There's nothing wrong with using old references
so-long as they are stil relevant

repeated aka reproducible observation is a cornerstone of science

Well at least you'll all have healthy prostates.

...and you can't beat a healthy prostate ... if
you see what I mean

quote:

---

Many of the pinoneers in psychology were Social Darwinists, and they mixed the Social Darwinism with psychology. Anyway, your screechings have no value for further discussion.

---

Running away?Why don't you debate in good faith and respond to the points I raised?

Syamsu, do you gree that Evolutionary Psychology has nothing to do with morality?

quote:

---

Edward H. Hagen, Institute for Theoretical Biology, Berlin

​

Is evolutionary psychology a form of Social Darwinism?

​

No! As explained above in the section on racism, the evolutionary psychology theoretical framework strongly suggests that all individuals possess essentially identical adaptations, cognitive or otherwise. However, social hierarchies appear to be ubiquitous in both human and non-human social groups. How do they arise if all individuals possess the same capabilities? These capabilities can be degraded or enhanced by age, sex, access to social and material resources, injury, disease, birth defects, etc.--the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. The fact that social hierarchies exist, and that evolutionary theory may help explain why, in no way justifies their existence, nor does it validate any particular ranking of individuals. Evolutionary psychology is not a moral framework! It is a framework for understanding human nature.

---

quote:

---

I read on the evolutionary psychology website, among continuos denials that it proscribes morality,

---

Well, that's because it doesn't proscribe morality.Evolutionary Psychology describes human behavior in light of our evolution.DEscription, not PROscription.

quote:

---

that the "folk" notions of selfishness, correspond with evolutionary psychologist notions of selfishness,

---

No, incorrect.From the website:http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/projects/human/epfaq/selfish.html"Describing genes as selfish is an analogy that has nothing to do with our folk notion of selfishness."

quote:

---

but that evolutionary psycholigists concept of selfishness applies more broadly, also to hair, and arms and the like.

---

Evolutionary Psychologist's concept of 'selfishness' applies to nonthinking genes.(emphasis added)Adaptations evolve via the differential reproduction of alleles (different versions of the same gene). This means that one version of a gene (allele A) at a particular locus causes organisms bearing that version to have a different phenotype (body structure) than organisms bearing a different version of the gene (allele B) at the same locus. If organisms with phenotype A produce more offspring than those with phenotype B, allele A will increase in frequency in the population. Allele A is said to have 'out-competed' allele B. Thus, allele A is a 'selfish gene'--it increased its frequency at the expense of allele B. But, every adaptation in the body evolved in this manner! That means that the genes coding for your hair are just as 'selfish' as the genes coding for your fingernails, which are just as 'selfish' as the genes coding for your kneecaps! The same goes for psychological adaptations: the genes coding for vision are just as 'selfish' as the genes coding for memory, which are just as 'selfish' as the genes coding for muscle control."

Classics? Humph. I'll have you know those were quite prominent (and relatively recent) examples of that artistic genre during my, ahem, formative years. Whippersnapper. Why I remember having to walk five miles barefoot through deep snow uphill both ways just to get to the theater...