Was Jesus A Legitimate Child?

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If God is Jesus father and God didn't marry Mary, then what other conclusion can there possibly be? If God is Jesus father and God didn't marry Mary, then what other conclusion can there possibly be?

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If she was born again she would be the bride of Christ - who is God. Meaning she would have indeed been married to God.The question is, I suppose, was Mary born again?Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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So when a Christian states that God is good, that is merely true by definition?

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If it is true that God is the definition of good (or standard against which you measure other things to see how good they are) then I can't see how the word "merely" belongs in your statement.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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If God created Jesus as his son and the Bible says that Jesus is God, doesn't that mean that currently there are 2 Gods: God + Jesus?

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If the Bible said that God created Jesus as his son then that would appear to be the case. It doesn't say that however.

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Can God create another God?

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An eternally existing God couldn't create another eternally existing God. Whatever he created couldn't, thus, be God (if "eternally existing" is a feature of what God is)Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Yes Jesus is God (the son). But he wasn't created by God (the father).Edited by iano, : No reason given.

This seems to create more problems than it solves . If this is what they mean and everyone has a different version of what being "treated well" means then one mans good God is another mans bad. "Just" (merely?) a synonym? From their perspective they might not feel God is taking care of them. Indeed God might not be taking care of them (in a sense they would like). As to correct and just? They go the way of good. Synonymous with God True to say that goodness, fairness and justice can be defined either one-God-centrically or (your preferred option it seems) 6-billion-homocentrically. That he could doesn't at all mean he does - it would all depend upon the nature of God I suppose. Perhaps he acts according to his nature - just like everyone else. If, as the Bible suggests is the case, the law was given so that sinners would become conscious of sin. And God is not capable of sinning (because sin would be defined as acting against Gods will - which God patently cannot do ) could you tell me how God comes under the juristiction of his law? You don't seem to be talking about a God who saves you for free - without you having to do a thing to be saved or to remain saved. In which case we are not talking about the same God. Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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Most, if not all of us will not go to heaven. Welcome to the club.

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Too late, I'm already in.

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EDIT: it seems the most intelligent will be coming my way, it's nice to have intelligent company (be it in hell)

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The ability to relate with others and enjoy doing so are functions of your being made in the image of God. He is relational and he enjoys - thus you (currently) do. Once that image is removed from you there is only you the sinner left.It's the removal of what you take for granted which will go to making Hell Hell. "Lakes of fire" is, I strongly suspect, a way to convey the horror of such an existance

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Most, if not all of us will not go to heaven. Welcome to the club.

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Too late, I'm already in. I'm merely a beggar pointing other beggars to the source of food.

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EDIT: it seems the most intelligent will be coming my way, it's nice to have intelligent company (be it in hell)

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The ability to relate with others and enjoy doing so are functions of your being made in the image of God. He is relational and he enjoys - thus you (currently) do. Once that image is removed from you there is only you the sinner left.It's the removal of what you take for granted which will go to making Hell Hell. "Lakes of fire" is, I strongly suspect, a way to convey the horror of such an existanceEdited by iano, : Edit lest I sound triumphalist

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Then God is not omnipotent?

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I wouldn't say that. No more than God not being able to create an object too heavy for him to lift reflects negatively on his omnipotence. Omnipotence is not a term that confers (upon God) the ability to perform the ridiculous.

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Bounded by the physical laws of time in relation to the nature of eternity.

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I am working off the notion that eternity doesn't include time. To be created necessitates an existance / realm (if not a time-involved one) without the created. That God exists eternally means (I take it) that God is uncreated.

I would suggest that he is logic in the same way that he is goodness. I'm not quite sure whether you could say he is limited by logic - as if logic was something separate from him and to which he must bow. He would be limited to acting according to what he is. He can't be what he isn't. I'm not quite sure how to read this sentence. Could you re-write it? See comment up top

May I?

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Romans 12:1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God”this is your spiritual[a] act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is”his good, pleasing and perfect will.

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Ephesians 1:3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will” 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace 8that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment”to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.

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Agreed. If God is logic then that is what prevents him from doing as you say. This has no negative bearing on his being omnipotent. Nor need we suppose that God is limited by something outside himself.

If those who end up in Hell end up there by insistance of own will then surely you wouldn't find that a bad thing. Surely you would prize a persons God-given right to exercise their own will unto that end if they so chose. And find God permitting that they be allowed do so, a good thing.

Not if logic (a feature of God) won't permit this to occur. Gods omnipotence isn't diminished by his inability to act inconsistantly with himself. I am suggesting that God is logic. That logic is sourced within him in the sense of it being part of his nature. He defines it by being it. But can't change the definition because he can't change his nature. He is who he is. God cannot break a commandment because he doesn't fall under the juristiction of his commandments.For example: murder is unrighteous killing. Unrighteous for the simple fact that another persons life is not my possession to take. Everyones life belongs to God therefore God is entitled to place me under the juristiction of a law forbidding my taking anothers life.But God killing is a different matter. He can wipe out nations in the blink of an eye and it will be righteous (in every sensible-thinking persons eyes) because those peoples lives belong to him. He is taking back something (a life) that belongs to him and which was only ever temporarily loaned to a person.Now I know that a this-life-centric view allied with some sentimentality will tend to decry such a position - it often can't be helped. But if you consider for a moment that our existance in this world is about the deciding of our eternal destinations - and the temporal destruction of nations doesn't at all mean those peoples eternal damnation - then it may help you over the stumbling block.God kills everyone at some point Straggler - so there is no point in getting too worked up about it. Hopefully this explains it a bit?

This doesn't sound logical. We might dispense with good and evil for the moment and simply say that you stand at the opposite end of the spectrum to God on these matters. Now suppose that Hell is merely a place where all traces of God are absent. Surely that would be a good thing from the perspective of a person who stands at the opposite end of the spectrum to God and wants nothing to do with him.That that necessarily entails the removal of those aspects of the image of God (in which we were made) - which will make Hell a living Hell - is a heavy price to pay for your will expression. But if you find that good then surely it is good that God permits your wills expression to this end What evil actions of God?As suggested above, the punishment might simply consist of God granting your will and removing himself from your presence. You might not be aware of it Straggler, but you should know that your being made in his image means you can do some of the things that he can do: you can enjoy relationships, appreciate beauty, create things, love what he finds good, hate what he finds evil, etc, etc.That image removed (at your behest) then Hell won't actually contain all the interesting people.

It would help your charge of inconsistency stick if you gave an example of an action of his for us to look at It might help is we clarify good as "that which occurs inside the boundary that God finds acceptable" and evil as "that which occurs outside the boundary of that which God finds acceptable". He is the standard by which you compare other things to see how good/bad they are. Of course the standard can't but be the standard.You'll agree with him on some points: murder is evil and will disagree with him on others (perhaps): sex outside marriage is evil. He defines, you measure up or not in relation to that. But if everything is sourced from the nature of God then logic too. Logic is the way it is because God is the way he is. If you said that God is limited by his own nature then I'd agree. If you want to pose another god who isn't sovereign then fire away, we're not talking about the same God. *drum roll* Create a free-willed being who is sure to obey God. Lie. You seem to have dodged the point altogether. If I own a cake, I am within my rights to demand of you that you don't eat it unless I give you some. That I do so doesn't diminish my right to eat my own cake.This is playground common sense Straggler, not the stuff of lawyers