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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
This is exactly what the Torah says. You may want to read it (not a translation made by "another religion").
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: Yes there are quacks, but most religious beliefs are nothing more than mythology to explain what the particular group could not explain. Where is the evidence of the above statement? Also, you refer to religious beliefs, and you make no mention of the formation of an actual organized religion. These religious beliefs that you arereferring to are those of the ancient religions that were not organized much at all. These religions are not practiced today by many people. Please explore the foundation of the widely practiced religions of today and you will see where I am coming from. I might add as well that the Torah makes almost no mention of the physics of the Universe. All it basically says is that the world you see today was created by G-d. Then it gives a cryptic explanation made to be something that humans can understand. The true mechanism of the creation of the world is evidently very complicated. The Torah is not a science book and it never was a science book. It was made to guide the lives of the people who received it. bluescat48 writes: to explain what the particular group could not explain ? Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I would expect more from a logical person such as yourself. Where is the evidence of your entire story? There is none. What part of Documentary "Hypothesis" do you not understand. The Jewish people claim a tradition that dates back 4000 years or more. What evidence do you have that will contradict this tradition? NOTHING You are formulating information from ignorance. Please realize what you are doing. Also, I have already answered the OP. The Jews and the Muslims are referring to the same G-d. They are only arguing about the prophesy of the founder of Islam. The Jews consider this man to be a false prophet, with all of the motives that I have described in other posts. The Muslims think that G-d changed his mind and gave a whole new set of rules through another prophet. This is the extent of the argument over these religions. They may have also tried to change what was written in the Torah. However let me repeat myself, every single Torah scroll in use today is identical in every single way, with the exception of one letter. This letter change is the difference between an aleph and a hay. Both of these letters make the same sound in the particular context, and the translation of the word is not changed in any way.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
You will not find a single Bible in all of these denominations. The Christians have changed the text many times. Do you remember how changes started. Kings did not like the church so they decided to make there own form of the religion. Also, you agree that the beliefs are all random, but the religion was founded by one liar. Another liar took over after his . And yet another took over after that. They all claimed to have seen a resurrection of the liar. They obviously received fame for this. There names are all known of today. The compiler of the original Torah would still remain unknown according to conspiracy theorists.
bluescat48 writes: Oh! So humans are stupid since they are given a childish story of creation, instead of what really occured. I already said that the Torah is not a science book and G-d did not wish to give an in depth explanation of how the universe was created. First of all, there would be no reason to do this. Second of all, suppose the entire science of physics was written in the Torah, who would understand it. NOBODY So what would be the point. All G-d was doing was explaining that He created the world. The specifics would have not been comprehended in that time anyway. Just as a side note, suppose the Torah would write The Big Bang Theory, Would humans name it the Big Bang Theory? Also, do you think that humans are done explaining the creation of the Universe. There is still more to be explained. If G-d would write the current Standard inside the Torah, it would only be good until new theory comes out. Also, What would scientists do with their lives if G-d explained everything. G-d is nice enough to let the scientists have the fun and challenge of exploration. This was particularly nice of G-d. Think about it that way.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
This is the same thing as saying, "Where is the evidence that all of the scientists are not just creating fossils in there backyard?" You have to show me evidence that it has been changed! There is no evidence of any changes in the Torah, and there is evidence of changes in the Bible. You are assuming change with no facts to back it up.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Some people think that I am very gullible for "blindly" following a religion. This is not true. I am extremely skeptical. When I began life, people were telling me what the purpose of this whole world is. This made perfect sense to me, and I found no logical flaws with what they were saying. I see that the world exists and I believe that it must have been created by someone. Then in my old age I became extremely skeptical. So skeptical that I realized that there is no way to prove that the world even does exist. In fact, all the people in the world could very well be figments of my imagination. If I would all of the sudden not be able to see, smell, hear, taste, or feel, the entire world would cease to exist. This makes me doubt the idea that the world even exists all together. I come to this conclusion, since I cannot prove that the world exists it must not really exist. However, I am still left with a problem. Where did I come from? Everyone in the world is telling me that I came from a man and a women. My parents tell me that I definitely came from them. However, they may just be figments of my imagination as well. I cannot prove that they are actually thinking beings that exist outside of my five senses. Therefore, on a personal level, I remain extremely skeptical. However, I still cannot explain where I came from. I therefore assume that some being out there must have created me. I then ask myself why this being has created me. I have no way of answering this question. Why would a being create me, and put me in a state where I have no idea why I was created? This seems counterintuitive. Then I finally got it. I was created to do what the illusionary religious leaders have been telling me to do. I do not know if I am alone in the world or if others are put here to do the same thing. All I know is that I was created and I was told what I was created for. The rest of the world may yet not even exist.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
According to the evidence, my conscious would be created through unconscious matter. This is something that science is still struggling with. If they do not know where the conscious comes from then they do not really know where the world comes from either.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Let me guess, you are saying that life is either green or blue. Is this what you are saying? This is a yes or no question.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I can believe this book because it was taught to me as truth. Since I have no proof of anything in the world other than my own existence, I am assuming that whoever created me intended for me to have this book and consider it truth. Since the rest of the world may not even exist, there is no proof that I could possibly be born into any other religion.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
According to my logic, there is no such thing as a what if. The idea that anything else "could" happen has no logical basis.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I gave you exactly what I said in the exact words that I wrote. So the literal answer to your question (if it has to be yes or no) has to be no. And this is my answer, no.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
You have made no refutation to my claim. You simply assume that I could have been born into any other religion. But, I already said that I can not even prove that other people exist, let alone a whole other set of beliefs. As far as I am concerned there is no proof that other beliefs even exist.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
That is correct. You have no proof that I exist or that my beliefs exist. But this has nothing to do with me. You may just be a figment of my imagination. All I know for a fact is that I was not conscious forever, and therefore someone must have caused this illusion. Whoever created me also made the illusion of you. He may want me to debate you, or he may not even want me to debate you. All I know is that I was born being taught certain things as truth. If whoever created me did not want me to consider these things as truth, He would have created me with parent illusions that were teaching me something else. This is completely logical. Theoretically, if you actually did exist (of course I can never prove that you do), and you were taught that the world had no meaning, you would have no reason to believe that the world does have any meaning. However, I have no way of showing with any evidence that there is a possibility that I would have been born in any other situation. Just because these situations seem to exist in my own illusion does not prove that other people actually do exist.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: Just 'cause it was taught to you as truth doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, I cannot prove this statement either. Because whoever did create my illusionary life, started my life with people telling me what was the truth. If I wanted to change my belief I would first have to prove this one to be false. Then I would search for another purpose for me being created.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
You have to admit that you are making some wild assumptions when you consider the whole world to actually exist. There is not a shred of evidence to make you believe that the world actually exists. Not even one shred.
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