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Author Topic:   Abiogenesis Violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics
heygabbagabba
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Message 1 of 6 (489355)
11-26-2008 2:05 PM


According to the grand theory of evolution (molecules to man), the evolutionary process began with abiogenesis. Organic molecules spontaneously combined to form amino acids, which combined to form proteins, which spontaneously combined to form DNA, RNA, and cell membranes, etc.
Abiogenesis violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics because it requires heat to organize itself into localized chemical energy. Simple molecules have to combine into complex molecules which store more heat. Heat doesn’t naturally flow from cold places to hot places. Heat, unless acted on by a greater energy, will always try to spread itself out. If there is heat in warm water, and it is put into cold water it will spread out into the cold making a bunch of "warm" water.
The outside energy (sun) would never cause these molecules to combine in such a complex way to make even amino acids (much less protein or DNA). It may combine a few molecules, but they would quickly break down (according to 2nd law of thermodynamics) before anything more could happen. Evolution requires that molecules combine to a point complex enough to start the natural selection process/life with out ever breaking down. This goes far beyond improbable.
In addition, the popular closed system argument is IRRELEVANT, as the second law has never been proven wrong in an open system, either.
The outside energy may occasionally put a couple molecules together, but in order to get even to the point of simple proteins they would have to stay together, and continue to combine. There is energy holding those two molecules together, so according to the 2nd law it would be more likely (by far) to have those two molecules break apart rather then stay together and expand. Same with three four five and so on number of molecules together.
Also - the heat from the sun which evolutionists are so fond of crediting as the outside energy that allows the molecules to come together into amino acids, proteins, dna and so on does not do this. Last time I checked when I throw something out in the sun it breaks down faster then if I put it in a place with less heat (freezer). That's why we put meat in a freezer to keep it good and not out in the sun.
I am not suggesting that thermodynamics prevents the molecules from arranging in a perfect order (though that does indeed come into play if you want to discuss probability), but that the molecules could not combine enough times in ANY order (due to the energy required to keep them together). Combining molecules together takes energy, so it is requiring that energy somehow put itself into place holding the molecules together. That is what goes against the 2nd law, not the order in which the molecules are combining.
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heygabbagabba
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Message 3 of 6 (489384)
11-26-2008 5:24 PM


I think I spruced it up a little bit.
Tell me what you think.

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heygabbagabba
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Message 5 of 6 (489423)
11-26-2008 11:51 PM


In actuality, I would not mind if people questioned these theories; I am just looking for an audience off which to bounce these ideas. I am looking for evidence to both refute my claims and back them up.
I'll try to keep sprucing it up, though.

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