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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 7 of 17 (504626)
03-31-2009 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Taz
03-31-2009 4:53 PM


LOL, it is sad but true that my brother works for Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort at WOTM. I actually got in a heated argument with him a while back about the ridiculousness of Ray's bannana argument. I made the suggestion that they should at least have a paid scientist on the staff to screen their creationism ideas before making a mockery out of themselves. Unfortunately, he took offense to that. I have to tread on very thin ice with him concerning the whole evolution vs creationism bit (actually I avoid the subject all together) .

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 9 of 17 (504633)
03-31-2009 9:38 PM
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03-31-2009 8:29 PM


I really find amusement any time creationists use food to "disprove" evolution since pretty much everything we eat from cows to wheat to bananas has been modified from it's wild type by artificial selection. I know science education in this country could be better, but the fact people are persuaded by these silly arguments makes me weep for the lack of proper history instruction in the classroom.
I place as much if not more blame on the parents than the schools at is the parents responsibility for the education of their child. If my daughter is not being taught at school correctly it is my civic duty to challenge the school/school board. If more parents would do this, instead of copping out and neglecting there child's education we would not be in the sorry mess to begin with.
If there was only one thing I can could teach my child, it would be to always seek to better themselves through self discipline and self-education.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 11 of 17 (504636)
03-31-2009 10:44 PM
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03-31-2009 10:27 PM


Re: whoa
Isn't this just what the fundamentalist christians are doing? The problem is not just parent involvement, but informed educated parent involvement.
Yes, that is what I mean. Ignorance is self-perpetuating (from generation to generation) if the cycle is not broken by education. I also believe that being educated in history is as important as being educated in the sciences so we can learn as a species and not continuously repeating the same damn mistakes. So many people are trapped in there little religious short-sided worldview that they are doing irrevokable harm to our prodegy.
The scientific and historical ignorance in this country is appalling and I am afraid if we don't do something about it, that the US will become just another once technologically great civilization disolved to obscurity, in the annals of human evolution.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 13 of 17 (504645)
04-01-2009 5:52 AM
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04-01-2009 5:18 AM


First, the "clearly they didn't do any research" issue:
"The Way of the Master" which is Ray Comfort's Christian evangelism company has no science consultants and absolutely 0 real research (they just regurgitate and expound on Ken Ham-like creationist ideas). Normally they just stick to religious evangalism which I don't have any major beef with. However, when they attempt to critique and attack universally accepted science with unsubstantiated, unresearched, bogus, pseudoscience assertions as shown here, this is where they go wrong.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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