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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design and the War with Iraq
crashfrog
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Message 3 of 7 (50912)
08-18-2003 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Agent Uranium [GPC]
08-18-2003 6:01 PM


But here, people actually believed that The West might have suffered an attack from Saddam and so tried to pre-empt it and prevent any attack.
Since when is this a valid reason to go to war?
Can anyone think of a context (like, the playground) in which it's appropriate to use violence simply because you were afraid the other guy would use it first, but hadn't?

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days)
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Message 6 of 7 (50956)
08-18-2003 11:34 PM
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08-18-2003 7:50 PM


Not sure about the US, but in the UK you are allowed to take pre-emptive action against someone if you perceive yourself to be in immediate danger (I nearly said "clear & present").
For example, someone holds a knife in front of you, you smack them over the head with an iron bar. That's what happens when you threaten people with knives IMO.
Oh, I agree. But remember, we went to war because we couldn't see the WMD's. That be like if I hit you over the head with a bar because I thought you had a knife, but you wouldn't turn out your pockets to prove that you didn't have one. Now, sure, I saw you with a knife, once (sold it to you, in fact) but that was ten years ago...
And now what are we discovering? A distinct lack of a knife on your hypothetical person. Of course we have an excuse - "he ditched it while I was hitting him."
And the precise reason we went to war with Iraq (and not N. Korea) is because we weren't in immediate danger, but rather, we were in danger of being in immediate danger in the future. Like, you were about to threaten me with a knife.

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