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Author Topic:   When did Homo Sapiens become 'in the image of God' ?
Blue Jay
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Message 4 of 52 (512124)
06-14-2009 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by slevesque
06-14-2009 3:32 AM


Hi, Slevesque.
Cool topic idea!
Since I attended a Christian private university (Brigham Young University), this very topic was discussed during my Evolutionary Biology course (the professor did not purport to give an answer to the question, though, because there really isn't an official answer in the LDS Church). Please don't take any of the following as official Mormon doctrine, because I'm just making it up for myself.
slevesque writes:
1- Biblically, is there a difference between animals and humans ?
Biblically, yes.
In reality, who knows?
But, if there is a difference, it isn't nearly as great as most Christians think.
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slevesque writes:
2- If there are no differences, then why would God regard humans as anymore special than other animals ?
I'm not convinced that He does, but perhaps it has something to do with the fact that we wrote a Bible, while the other animals did not.
Perhaps if the cockroaches invented a language that had a word for "special," then God would tell them that they were special, too.
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slevesque writes:
3- If there is a difference, what is it ?
Deodorant.
We invented it: they didn't.
Think about it.
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slevesque writes:
4- If this difference is that humans are thelogically in God's image, then at what point along their evolutionary progression did they become 'in God's image' ?
It was a long time ago. In fact, the Neanderthal was God's perfect image, and, since we are a side branch from a tropical lineage, we've all been cursed to never be granted the privilege of having the heavy brow, giant nose and robust stature of the one true God, and, we'll never be allowed to live in the ice-cold paradise of Heaven, instead being relegated to the warm tropical beaches of pseudo-Heaven: God's just convinced us that this is desirable, when, in fact, it is not.
Seriously, I agree with Dr Adequate, that this is somewhat figurative. Maybe we look like God, and maybe God can alter His image to look like any of his myriad creations, but, for the most part, He's more talking about our abilities than our appearance.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 6 of 52 (512149)
06-14-2009 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by bluescat48
06-14-2009 5:14 PM


Hi, Cat.
bluescat48 writes:
Maybe it is just the human ego placing ourselves above the rest of the animal kingdom.
Yeah, probably.
Which renders all of Christendom somewhat contradictory: Jesus's whole message was about learning to debase and humble oneself, yet we insist on tauting our self-worth as beloved children of God. The fact that Christians still view certain things as beneath us indicates that we, as a unit, have not learned the principle behind what Jesus was trying to teach us.

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Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 8 of 52 (512184)
06-15-2009 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by petrophysics1
06-14-2009 11:38 PM


Re: Let's think outside the box
Hi, Petrophysics.
petrophysics writes:
Have you ever considered that...
"So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;"
has nothing to do with bodies.
How about this is talking about man as a "spiritual being" who was created in the image and likeness of God?
Um... yeah.
In fact, that's what I said.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 20 of 52 (513123)
06-25-2009 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Meddle
06-25-2009 3:03 AM


Hi, Malcolm.
Malcolm writes:
As for those in this thread suggesting that the 'image of god' is not describing a physical appearance but is instead relating to some aspects of our nature, what exactly is about our nature that is 'godlike', since in other threads (such as the thread 'Many Christians Lack Responsibility') these same people insinuate that our nature is naturally fallen/sinful?
Brilliant question!
Most would probably consider the "fallen/sinful" state to be a corruption of our original "good" nature.
In short, we maintain some of God's qualities (intelligence, knowledge of good and evil, etc.), but not all of them.
This is not necessarily my personal opinion, though.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 26 of 52 (513150)
06-25-2009 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Teapots&unicorns
06-24-2009 8:23 PM


Aside: Blue Man Group
Hi, Teapots&Unicorns.
T&U writes:
Blue and RADZ do have a point.
Who's "Blue"?
There are three members named "Blue____" active on this website (and I think a couple more inactive members), two of whom have posted on this thread.
I tried changing my name a couple of times because of this (my aliases are listed in my signature), but I am too attached to the name "Bluejay" to abandon it, so I keep coming back to it.
Edited by Bluejay, : fixed subtitle

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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